What happens when we trade artificial lights and climate-controlled spaces for the dappled sunlight and living air of the forest? Pam Lowe Cho has spent years finding out, and now helps others do the same.

When Pam’s corporate job was eliminated in 2008, she was offered another prestigious role within a week. Instead of accepting it, she chose what felt like a risky detour: a 30-day pause to explore what else might be possible. That decision ultimately led her from the high-pressure world of corporate communications and public relations — including a formative stint in the Reagan White House — to a thriving career as an executive coach. Now she's taken that work one step further: outside.

As a certified Forest Therapy guide, Pam has moved leadership development out of the conference room and into the woods. In this conversation, we explore the science of forest bathing (Shinrin-yoku), including how phytoncides released by trees, fractal patterns in nature, and the vastness of the open sky work together to lower cortisol, regulate the nervous system, and sharpen the mind. Pam also shares three simple practices anyone can use to bring nature’s restorative power into their homes and daily lives.

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Kim Santen was on her way home from a nursing shift when a head-on collision changed the trajectory of her life. What began as a traumatic brain injury — one that left her head shaking uncontrollably and sent her into months of isolation — became the catalyst for confronting how survival patterns from childhood had been quietly steering her choices for years. Now an intuitive transformation coach, Kim shares how the accident led her to discover art, authenticity, and a completely different path forward.

This conversation explores why so many of us continue operating in survival mode as adults, how the language we use shapes what we believe is possible, and what it really means to choose yourself — not as an act of selfishness, but as a return to truth. If you've ever felt stuck, on the fence, or trapped by expectations, this one’s for you.

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In this episode, Jen talks with Jill Schiller, Treasurer of Hamilton County, Ohio, about finding her way into public service. From early work in the White House to a congressional loss before going on to win elected office twice, Jill's path hasn't been about grand reinventions. It's been about noticing when something no longer fit and adjusting course without framing those moments as failure.

This conversation explores what it means to outgrow a choice, trust your gut when something stops working, and recognize how small, intentional redirections can add up to meaningful change.

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Summer Dancing

In this inaugural episode, host Jen Morales traces her own detours — from music to law to entrepreneurship — and what they taught her about recognizing when a wrong turn is pointing the way toward something truer.

Right Wrong Turns: Finding Direction in Life’s Detours is a podcast about how unplanned twists and setbacks can point us toward truer direction when we're willing to learn from them. Through candid conversations and personal stories, host Jen Morales explores how missteps in work, relationships, and life can become guideposts back to purpose and alignment.

A musician turned lawyer turned entrepreneur, Jen draws on her own winding path and the experiences of her guests to uncover the wisdom hidden in seemingly wrong turns. Each episode makes insights seldom shared openly accessible to all of us, so we can navigate our own detours with greater self-awareness and move closer to lives that feel authentically ours.

Inspired by Maya Angelou’s words—“Do the best you can until you know better. Then, when you know better, do better"—Right Wrong Turns reminds us that life’s side roads can lead us toward clarity. And by sharing what we learn along the way, we help light the path for others.