Send us a text

Ever tried to judge a play from six feet off the ground with bodies flying past and zero replays? That’s where referees live, and it’s nothing like the view from the stands. We sit down with RefReps CEO Kyle Armstrong to explore how first‑person video, multi‑angle breakdowns, and short, high‑impact modules are rebuilding the referee pipeline and reshaping sports culture from the ground up.

Kyle walks us through the origin story, the tech stack, and the classroom model that puts officiating into high schools and colleges. Students rotate between playing and reffing, then take those skills into local leagues for paid assignments. The result is a rare win‑win: more covered games, real income for teens, and a surge in life skills like conflict resolution, time management, and composure under pressure. We dig into the data too—confidence and intent to officiate hold above 80 percent across tens of thousands of learners—plus why brain science favors immersive reps over dry rule drills.

We also look at the culture problem. RefReps installs “Do You Have What It Takes To Make The Call?” kiosks at a state championship, and crowds only get 62 percent accuracy with only two choices and a ticking clock. That humbling moment sparks empathy without lectures, and it’s changing how coaches and parents behave on the sideline. From pricing and annual rule updates to VR experiments and partnerships with NFHS, this is a practical blueprint for strengthening youth sports, improving game management, and keeping officials in the game.

If you care about fair play, better coaching, and safer sidelines, hit follow, share this with a friend who loves sports, and leave a review to help more people see the game through the eyes of the officials.

Support the show

Send us a text

Big games don’t get easier; you get better at carrying them. Ahead of my first State Cup final, I open up about nerves, preparation, and the quiet work that turns pressure into focus: fitness tuned for late sprints, gear and crew checks that prevent chaos, and a five-minute reset that keeps me in the match instead of in my head. The heart of the story is confidence earned over 1,500 matches and the decision to judge what’s in front of me, not the crowd around me.

Howard Webb’s The Man in the Middle adds hard-won wisdom to that mindset. We walk through his Goodison Park lesson on how dangerous it is to “hide” from decisions, the halftime mind games players use to tilt your judgment, and the power of owning mistakes quickly so the next call is clean. We also dig into respect, or the lack of it, even at the top level, and why referee solidarity is non-negotiable. From there, we push for practical change: body cameras that reduce abuse and dissent, and communication systems that help train new officials in real time. If the sidelines already have multiple cameras, it’s time the referee team had tools that protect and develop them too.

The mailbag brings warmth and urgency. A 60-year-old ref logging 60 games makes the case for body cams after assaults. A dad-daughter duo in North Carolina discovers how ref work builds confidence, grit, and a bond that outlasts any scoreline. For every late starter chasing a high assignment, there’s a reminder to keep family first; the matches will go on, but the breakfasts, concerts, and small moments at home matter most. Subscribe, share this with a ref who needs a lift, and leave a review telling us the one habit that steadies you before kickoff.

Support the show

Send us a text

We sat down with Daneen Gonçalves, founder and chief visionary officer of The Referee Advocates, to unpack a simple idea with massive impact: treat referees like an integral and supported part of your club, build clear development pathways and watch the entire matchday experience improve. Danine brings decades as a player, coach, official and leadership professional, and she’s using that experience to help clubs become great places for referees to work and grow.

We dig into the broken parts of the system—referees thrown into games they’re not ready for, clubs that see assigning as a checkbox, and a lack of mentorship that leaves kids isolated. Daneen outlines TRA’s answer: partner directly with clubs to set standards for sideline behavior, fund mentoring, and match officials to appropriate levels. We explore a cohort model with Google Classroom, on-field scrimmage reps, and weekend tournament learning that turns shaky confidence into steady game management. There’s also a powerful mental health piece: training teens to regulate after mistakes and coaching parents on what real support looks like after tough matches.

Expect practical takeaways for directors of coaching, assigners, and parents. Learn how a few dollars per game can support mentors, how presence on the touchline quiets volatility, and why data and feedback loops help everyone focus on quality. We also share clinic insights—from ceremonial free kicks to communication that keeps play fair and safe. If you care about retention, safer fields, and cleaner soccer, this conversation is your blueprint for change.

Enjoyed the episode? Follow, share with your club leadership, and leave a review to help more people find the show. Let’s build a culture where referees thrive and the game gets better for everyone.

Support the show

Send us a text

Tired of holding your flag up for Offside, while the whole sideline screams “REF!”? We go straight at the problem and bring on engineer and referee Sam Rall, the creator of RareBit Offcial buzzer flags. He shows how a simple haptic signal can transform crew communication, reduce chaos, and keep matches flowing.

David opens with the bigger picture—why innovation in referee education meets resistance from comfortable committees—and then we zoom into the design and decisions that make a better tool: modern Bluetooth 5 for reliable range, firmware that boosts power only when needed, and an ergonomic, slightly elliptical grip that feels right for 90 minutes and beyond.

Sam takes us from sticker shock to solution. He breaks down how legacy electronic flags cost hundreds more than their parts, why redundancy matters even with comms, and where a buzz beats a shout: delayed offside, coffin-corner touchlines, quick subs, and review awareness. We map out practical pregame logic—press without flag to cue involvement questions, distinct patterns for AR1, AR2, or fourth official—turning a basic button into a shared language that prevents confusion after the net ripples.

Building hardware isn’t glamorous. Sam shares the five-year journey through prototypes, molds, dead boards, firmware bugs, and the realities of a niche market where American refs often buy their own gear. The payoff is real: long battery life with USB C charging, waterproof construction, and sets that sell out because they simply work. Along the way, David makes the case for builder-led progress in officiating—tools made by refs, for refs, at a price that brings pro-level communication within reach of the grassroots.

If you believe better decisions start with better tools, you’ll love this one. Subscribe, share with your crew, and leave a review to help more referees find gear and ideas that make the game better for everyone.

Support the show

Send us a text

The whistle isn’t the hard part. It’s the noise around it—sidelines boiling over, subtle bias that undermines authority, and those early games where one bad interaction can end a career before it starts. We sit down with rising official Mia Clark to talk about staying in the game, building real confidence, and why supporting women on the whistle changes everything.

Mia traces her path from a 14-year-old assistant learning the lines in the rain to assignments in the USLW and high school state playoffs. She shares the moments that almost pushed her out, the mentors who kept her grounded, and a simple, firm script that turns chaos into clarity: address the negative behavior, set boundaries and enforce consequences.

Along the way, we cover practical tools for young refs—rehearsed language for dissent and when to demand crowd management or terminate a match. Mia’s stories reveal how small choices by assistants, coaches, and athletic directors can empower or erode a center’s authority.

We also make the case for refereeing as a flexible, high-value job for students that builds decision-making, conflict resolution, and composure under pressure. And we spotlight why seeing women command a match matters for every player, parent, and future official.

If you care about better soccer, safer games, and keeping good people on the field, this conversation is a blueprint. Listen, share with your crew, and help change the culture one match at a time. Subscribe, leave a review, and tell us: what’s your go-to line for handling dissent?

Support the show

Send us a text

Grief has a way of focusing the lens on what actually matters: how someone lived, how they treated those who couldn't fight back, and what they stood for even when it was unpopular. My dad never reffed, but he taught me everything about making life’s hardest decisions—kindness first, integrity always, and the courage to do the hard right thing when it counts.

We trace a life well lived: European trips, science missions to Alaska and Hawaii, a deep love of national parks, and a New Yorker’s unlikely passion for country line dancing that led to a 30–year romance.

We revisit tossing a baseball on city streets, marathon training before dawn, and the quiet discipline that turns effort into outcome. We share how encyclopedias on the floor, a giant Webster’s dictionary, and early computers turned learning disabilities into a path forward—fueling concise communication, clear thinking, and the confidence to advocate.

You’ll hear about a 37–year career at Queensborough Community College, summers at NASA, an 1,100–page dissertation on wave theory, and a refusal to soften standards just to keep the peace. The throughline is leadership: empathy without condescension, accountability without cruelty, and match control rooted in respect and the spirit of the game.

There’s family history and service, too: caregiving after Holocaust loss, showing up for elders, single fatherhood with PTA meetings and homemade lasagna, and even building one of the first elementary school computer labs—so kids could have opportunities he never had.

The takeaway is simple: love unconditionally, stay curious, work past comfort, and anchor your choices in honor. That’s the playbook we use on the field and at home, and it’s the legacy we hope to live up to—one “good man” moment at a time.

If this story resonates, share it with someone who taught you a hard lesson with a gentle hand.

Support the show

Send us a text

Landing my dream job as Director of Referee Programming and Development at SoCal Soccer League marks the culmination of a four-year journey that began when I started the Refs Need Love Too channel as a joke in 2021. What started as an escape from corporate burnout has transformed into a full-time opportunity to improve referee development across the largest soccer league in America, with over 4,400 teams and 40,000 players.

This career shift represents everything I've been working toward—taking what I've done nights and weekends for years and making it my day job. The position allows me to create comprehensive training systems that address what current referee education lacks: practical guidance for managing real-world match situations beyond basic mechanics and rules.

Current referee training focuses too heavily on the top 1% of officials while neglecting the 99% working grassroots matches. These grassroots referees face entirely different challenges than what's seen in professional matches with perfect pitches and elite athletes. We need practical training for managing bunched play, varying skill levels, and parent interactions at youth levels.

For new referees especially, success depends on factors rarely covered in certification courses. Professional appearance creates a crucial first impression. Confident presence during check-in establishes authority. Calling fouls consistently prevents matches from spiraling out of control. Clear communication fills information vacuums that might otherwise be filled with complaints. Proper movement demonstrates effort and improves positioning for making accurate calls.

Whether you're a new referee seeking guidance, an experienced official looking to mentor others, or someone considering this rewarding path, remember that refereeing isn't just about applying rules—it's about managing people, creating positive environments, and finding purpose through service to the game we love.

Support the show

Send us a text

What does it take to officiate at the highest level of world soccer? Matthew Conger, who refereed at both the 2018 and 2022 FIFA World Cups, pulls back the curtain on the journey from grassroots to elite officiating in this fascinating conversation.

Growing up as a goalkeeper in Georgia before eventually representing New Zealand on the international stage, Conger's unique path provides rare insights into what truly separates good referees from great ones. "Positioning and movement is the bedrock of good decision-making," he explains, revealing how sometimes just two or three meters makes the difference between seeing a play clearly or missing crucial details.

The psychological aspects of elite officiating take center stage as Conger shares his philosophy that "pressure is a privilege" – a mindset shift that helped him perform on soccer's biggest stages. He details the deliberate team culture he built with his officiating crews, including creating meaningful team logos and focusing on emotional regulation to ensure clear decision-making under pressure.

Perhaps most surprisingly, Conger demystifies World Cup referees by noting they were "just like me" – dedicated, hardworking individuals with a passion for the game rather than superhuman figures. This humanizing perspective extends to his approach to mistakes, emphasizing the importance of owning errors, analyzing their causes, and using them as growth opportunities rather than dwelling in "that toxic soup of imposter syndrome."

Now through his company Total Referee, Conger is dedicated to developing officials at all levels using an integrated approach that recognizes referees as "their own athletic population" with unique developmental needs. His vision of refereeing as a creative endeavor that enables "the beautiful game to be played beautifully" reminds us why officials truly are essential stakeholders in soccer.

Whether you're an aspiring referee, a current official looking to improve, or simply curious about what happens behind the whistle, this conversation offers invaluable wisdom from someone who's been at the very pinnacle of the profession.

Support the show