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REFS NEED LOVE TOO

REFS NEED LOVE TOO

By: David Gerson
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An honest perspective from the 3rd team on the pitch... the referees. Through humor, analysis and education, we are slowly changing how people view referees and officials in all sports. We care and have a love for the game as much as any player or coach. Sometimes even more. Youth soccer (proper football) is a multi-billion $ industry in the US. Tremendous money is spent on players, competitions, travel etc., but almost nothing spent on developing the next generation of referees. I hope that this Podcast inspires, educates and humanizes the next generation of referees for their own development and appreciation from the players, coaches and spectators they need to work alongside.

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  • From Shortage To Solution: Reimagining Education For Officials with Kyle Armstrong of RefReps
    Dec 24 2025

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    Ever tried to judge a play from six feet off the ground with bodies flying past and zero replays? That’s where referees live, and it’s nothing like the view from the stands. We sit down with RefReps CEO Kyle Armstrong to explore how first‑person video, multi‑angle breakdowns, and short, high‑impact modules are rebuilding the referee pipeline and reshaping sports culture from the ground up.

    Kyle walks us through the origin story, the tech stack, and the classroom model that puts officiating into high schools and colleges. Students rotate between playing and reffing, then take those skills into local leagues for paid assignments. The result is a rare win‑win: more covered games, real income for teens, and a surge in life skills like conflict resolution, time management, and composure under pressure. We dig into the data too—confidence and intent to officiate hold above 80 percent across tens of thousands of learners—plus why brain science favors immersive reps over dry rule drills.

    We also look at the culture problem. RefReps installs “Do You Have What It Takes To Make The Call?” kiosks at a state championship, and crowds only get 62 percent accuracy with only two choices and a ticking clock. That humbling moment sparks empathy without lectures, and it’s changing how coaches and parents behave on the sideline. From pricing and annual rule updates to VR experiments and partnerships with NFHS, this is a practical blueprint for strengthening youth sports, improving game management, and keeping officials in the game.

    If you care about fair play, better coaching, and safer sidelines, hit follow, share this with a friend who loves sports, and leave a review to help more people see the game through the eyes of the officials.

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    49 mins
  • Howard Webb’s Lessons And Dealing With Negative Self-Talk
    Dec 3 2025

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    Big games don’t get easier; you get better at carrying them. Ahead of my first State Cup final, I open up about nerves, preparation, and the quiet work that turns pressure into focus: fitness tuned for late sprints, gear and crew checks that prevent chaos, and a five-minute reset that keeps me in the match instead of in my head. The heart of the story is confidence earned over 1,500 matches and the decision to judge what’s in front of me, not the crowd around me.

    Howard Webb’s The Man in the Middle adds hard-won wisdom to that mindset. We walk through his Goodison Park lesson on how dangerous it is to “hide” from decisions, the halftime mind games players use to tilt your judgment, and the power of owning mistakes quickly so the next call is clean. We also dig into respect, or the lack of it, even at the top level, and why referee solidarity is non-negotiable. From there, we push for practical change: body cameras that reduce abuse and dissent, and communication systems that help train new officials in real time. If the sidelines already have multiple cameras, it’s time the referee team had tools that protect and develop them too.

    The mailbag brings warmth and urgency. A 60-year-old ref logging 60 games makes the case for body cams after assaults. A dad-daughter duo in North Carolina discovers how ref work builds confidence, grit, and a bond that outlasts any scoreline. For every late starter chasing a high assignment, there’s a reminder to keep family first; the matches will go on, but the breakfasts, concerts, and small moments at home matter most. Subscribe, share this with a ref who needs a lift, and leave a review telling us the one habit that steadies you before kickoff.

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  • Saving Grassroots Soccer Through Referee Support with The Referee Advocates
    Nov 16 2025

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    We sat down with Daneen Gonçalves, founder and chief visionary officer of The Referee Advocates, to unpack a simple idea with massive impact: treat referees like an integral and supported part of your club, build clear development pathways and watch the entire matchday experience improve. Danine brings decades as a player, coach, official and leadership professional, and she’s using that experience to help clubs become great places for referees to work and grow.

    We dig into the broken parts of the system—referees thrown into games they’re not ready for, clubs that see assigning as a checkbox, and a lack of mentorship that leaves kids isolated. Daneen outlines TRA’s answer: partner directly with clubs to set standards for sideline behavior, fund mentoring, and match officials to appropriate levels. We explore a cohort model with Google Classroom, on-field scrimmage reps, and weekend tournament learning that turns shaky confidence into steady game management. There’s also a powerful mental health piece: training teens to regulate after mistakes and coaching parents on what real support looks like after tough matches.

    Expect practical takeaways for directors of coaching, assigners, and parents. Learn how a few dollars per game can support mentors, how presence on the touchline quiets volatility, and why data and feedback loops help everyone focus on quality. We also share clinic insights—from ceremonial free kicks to communication that keeps play fair and safe. If you care about retention, safer fields, and cleaner soccer, this conversation is your blueprint for change.

    Enjoyed the episode? Follow, share with your club leadership, and leave a review to help more people find the show. Let’s build a culture where referees thrive and the game gets better for everyone.

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    54 mins
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