Episodes

  • Reflections at Year Four

    Reflections at Year Four
    Dec 9 2025

    In episode 81, Chris and Emma mark four years of the podcast with a candid look at what’s changed—in themselves, their work, and their relationship to the theory.

    Both faced challenges this year, and both noticed something striking: they handled it differently than they would have before. The theory has become a real-time companion rather than a post-mortem tool—dynamisms catching in the moment instead of being identified after the fact.

    They discuss:

    * The shift from analyzing crises afterward to navigating them as they unfold

    * How relational resilience and genuine listening matter (with gratitude to bee mayhew )

    * What they’d do differently—never saying levels, prioritizing lived experience over expertise, better audio equipment

    * Plans for 2026: more episodes featuring just the two of them, deeper dives into lived experience

    * An announcement: they’re stepping away from the Dabrowski Congress to take a new direction

    The episode ends where the theory always points: shedding what’s less like us and moving toward greater autonomy.

    Resources from this episode

    * Dabrowski 101 (YouTube)

    * Ep. 56: Autoethnography for Personal Growth

    * Ep. 72, Healing through Writing with Dr. Lil Jedynak (The Gifted Experience)

    * cosmic cheer squad podcast

    * PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcast

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

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    59 mins
  • Sexuality and Relationships

    Sexuality and Relationships
    Oct 15 2025

    In episode 80, Chris and Emma talked with Heather Anne Keyes, a neuroqueer Gestalt psychotherapist and educator based in Durango, Mexico. Together, we explore the intersections between sexuality, neurodivergence, and development through the lens of Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration.

    This conversation invites listeners to think about how we relate to ourselves and others when we step outside of convention. Heather’s insights bridge psychotherapy and lived experience, showing how awareness, compassion, and honesty can transform the way we love, communicate, and grow.

    Topics include:

    * Rethinking monogamy, non-monogamy, and ethical relationships

    * The overlap between giftedness, neurodivergence, and relational complexity

    * Gestalt therapy as a practice of awareness, authenticity, and co-creation

    * I-Thou relationships and the ethics of seeing others as full humans

    * The role of language in communication and self-understanding

    * How Buddhist psychology and radical acceptance inform Heather’s work

    Heather also shares moving reflections on loss, love, and the lifelong process of learning to “accept pain without turning it into unnecessary suffering.”

    Resources from this episode

    Heather’s website

    Humans of Gestalt (website)

    Humans of Gestalt (YouTube)

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

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    48 mins
  • Crisis, Connection, and Fractals of Transformation

    Crisis, Connection, and Fractals of Transformation
    Aug 20 2025
    In episode 79, Chris and Emma explore the revolutionary idea that positive disintegration extends far beyond individual psychology with guest Richard Edelman, founder of Living Arts Wisdom and a cultural evolution strategist who synthesizes neuroscience, evolutionary philosophy, and trauma-informed practices. Drawing from interpersonal neurobiology, evolutionary theory, and climate psychology, Richard demonstrates how Dabrowski's developmental framework operates as a fractal pattern—appearing at the individual level, within relationships, across cultural systems, and throughout our species' evolution. This conversation reveals how our current global crises, from climate change to political upheaval, can be understood as manifestations of species-wide disintegration, and how individuals can become conscious participants in determining whether this leads to collapse or transformation.Key Topics Explored:* Interpersonal Neurobiology & Integration: Richard explains Dan Siegel's framework connecting mind, brain, and relationships, and how understanding integration helps us better comprehend what disintegrates in positive disintegration.* The Deep Neuroculture: A fascinating concept describing our collective nervous system as a species: the "mycelial network" beneath the surface of individual consciousness that shapes our biological and cultural niche.* Species-Wide Disintegration: How humanity is currently experiencing a collective positive disintegration driven by climate crisis, requiring us to transform our relationship with our environment.* Toxic Enculturation & Cycle Breaking: The process of liberating ourselves from harmful cultural patterns passed down through generations, with special attention to parents who refuse to perpetuate trauma.* Third Factor as Evolutionary Avatar: Reframing third factor individuals as harbingers of consciousness and relational evolution, essential for species survival.* Courage and Authenticity: The vital role of bravery in expressing our authentic selves and challenging the status quo, even in seemingly small interpersonal moments.Connect with Richard Edelman:* Richard’s website: livingartswisdom.com* Email: richard@livingartswisdom.comResources Mentioned:* Dan Siegel's work on interpersonal neurobiology* Iain McGilchrist's book "The Master and His Emissary"* Internal Family Systems (IFS)* Climate Psychology Alliance* Enactivism and Francisco Varela* Britt Wray’s Unthinkable (the book: Generation Dread)* The Third Factor (Dabrowski Center website)This episode offers a powerful reframe of the theory of positive disintegration, showing how individual transformation is intimately connected to the larger evolutionary challenges facing humanity. Richard's synthesis of multiple frameworks provides both theoretical depth and practical pathways for those seeking to navigate—and actively participate in shaping—our current polycrisis toward positive transformation.Connect with us* Positive Disintegration on Substack* Visit the Dabrowski Center website* Facebook* Instagram* The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel* Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook* The Tragic Gift blog by Emma* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com* Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.* Find Positive Disintegration MerchIf you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe
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    55 mins
  • Polyvagal Pathways to Connection: Part 2

    Polyvagal Pathways to Connection: Part 2
    Jul 17 2025
    In episode 78, we continued our rich and engaging conversation with Autum Romano, an educator, bodyworker, and author from Colorado Springs, CO. This is the second in a two-part conversation exploring polyvagal theory and its relevance to personality development, healing, and human connection.We deepen our exploration of polyvagal theory and its connections with developmental experience, neurodivergence, and positive disintegration.Together, we unpack:* How neuroception and energetic sensitivity shape relational dynamics* The intersection of PDA (Pathological Demand Avoidance), trauma, and cues of safety* How overexcitabilities can become dynamisms that help us grow in relationship* The role of relationships in co-regulation, especially for intense and neurodivergent individuals* Why true connection is essential to healing and development—and how hard it is to cultivate in unsafe environmentsChris reflects on their own experience as a gifted PDAer, highlighting how sensitivity to energy and autonomy needs has shaped their emotional regulation and social interactions. Autum and Emma both offer powerful insights about learning to tune into not just how others affect us, but how we impact them, too.This episode is rich with hard-earned wisdom about nervous system safety, embodied growth, and the power of safe, attuned relationships. If you’ve ever felt “too much,” struggled with co-regulation, or wondered how to find the green zone in your life—this one’s for you.Links from this episodeAutum’s websiteBody Wisdom and the Polyvagal Theory (Autum’s book)PDA: Resistance and Resilience podcast with Marni Kammersell and Chris WellsEpisode 56: Autoethnography for Personal GrowthLiving with IntensityPDA North AmericaIntense World TheoryDr. Stephen Porges, Safe and Sound ProtocolConnect with us* Positive Disintegration on Substack* Visit the Dabrowski Center website* Facebook* Instagram* The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel* Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook* The Tragic Gift blog by Emma* Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com* Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.* Find Positive Disintegration MerchIf you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you! This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.positivedisintegration.org/subscribe
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    57 mins
  • Polyvagal Pathways to Connection: Part 1

    Polyvagal Pathways to Connection: Part 1
    Jul 8 2025

    In episode 77, Chris and Emma were joined by Autum Romano, an educator, bodyworker, and author from Colorado Springs, CO. This is the first in a two-part conversation exploring polyvagal theory and its relevance to personality development, healing, and human connection.

    Autum brings 28+ years of experience in the healing arts and a rich understanding of the nervous system. Together, we dive into the basics of polyvagal theory—including the three autonomic states (ventral, sympathetic, and dorsal), neuroception, and co-regulation—and connect it with Dąbrowski’s theory of positive disintegration.

    Topics include:

    * How our nervous system shapes our experience and reactions

    * Using body-based tools for nervous system regulation

    * Understanding fight, flight, and freeze responses in relationships

    * Recognizing your dominant pattern and learning to move between states

    * How safety, connection, and emotional healing are intertwined

    * The overlap between polyvagal theory and Dabrowskian development

    * Personal stories about trauma responses, self-awareness, and growth

    Autum’s insights offer a compassionate, grounded lens on how to support development—not by avoiding dysregulation, but by learning to move through it with awareness. Whether you’re new to polyvagal theory or looking to deepen your understanding, this episode offers something valuable.

    Stay tuned for Part 2, where the conversation continues.

    Links from this episode

    Autum’s website

    Body Wisdom and the Polyvagal Theory

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

    If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!



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    47 mins
  • Cosmic Connections

    Cosmic Connections
    Jun 18 2025

    In this special crossover episode, we’re sharing Episode 3 of cosmic cheer squad—our new podcast from the Positive Disintegration Network. Chris and Bee are joined by a very special guest: Emma Nicholson, co-host of Positive Disintegration, for an in-person, around-the-table conversation recorded in Madison, Wisconsin.

    Together, they reflect on:

    * How they became friends and collaborators through the theory of positive disintegration

    * The idea of cosmic pockets as a way to hold intense feelings until it’s safe to process them

    * Inner critics, intrusive thoughts, and how to rewrite old narratives

    * Parenting yourself while raising others

    * Emotional trampolines, anti-cults, and resisting illegitimate authority

    * Why the Gravitron might be the perfect metaphor for development

    Plus: Bee’s legendary toffee, Aussie accent jokes, trench coat metaphors, and the beginnings of a truly cozy counterculture.

    💫 It’s part reunion, part origin story, and all heart. Come sit with us.

    Links from this episode

    Find Emma online:

    * Tragic Gift (blog)

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities (YouTube)

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities (Facebook group)

    * Positive Disintegration (Instagram)

    We referenced:

    * Cosmic Pocket

    * Sneaky Stimming

    Positive Disintegration:

    * Episode 33: A Personal Journey of Self-Discovery, with David Sweeney

    * Episode 37: Self-Directed Education with Marni Kammersell



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    46 mins
  • Authenticity, Community, and Creative Unmasking

    Authenticity, Community, and Creative Unmasking
    May 27 2025

    In Episode 75, Chris and Emma were joined by Gordon Smith, a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Counselor, Coach, and Creative from Gifted and Growing in Asheville, NC. Together, they explore how community, creativity, and authenticity support the journey of positive disintegration.

    Gordon shares how his rediscovery of giftedness helped him make sense of his life and deepen his work with clients. The conversation dives into the challenges of unmasking in front of others—especially family—and how the safety of group spaces can empower people to become more fully themselves. Gordon introduces his unique group offerings and the powerful “Magnum Opus” exercise that facilitates self-discovery through poetry and flow state.

    This episode touches on key Dabrowskian themes, including the transformation of internalized shame, the shedding of masks, the role of community in personal growth, and how creative practices support authenticity. We reflect on how our disintegrations have unfolded and offer heartfelt encouragement for listeners on their journeys.

    Topics Include:

    * Gordon’s journey back to giftedness and the theory of positive disintegration

    * The importance of self-knowing and depathologizing difference

    * Creating safe spaces for unmasking and self-expression

    * Using creativity and community to support growth

    * Reflections on grief, parenting, and nervous system healing

    * How discovering language for our experiences can be transformative

    Resources from this episode

    * Visit Gordon’s website: Giftedandgrowing.org

    * Gordon Smith, LPC (Facebook)

    * More about Yunasa

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • Live from Wisconsin, Part 2

    Live from Wisconsin, Part 2
    Apr 29 2025

    Episode 74 includes Part 2 of our very first in-person podcast special. After years of collaborating across continents, Chris and Emma finally sat down together face-to-face in Madison, Wisconsin. In this spontaneous, laughter-filled continuation, we’re joined by Bee Mayhew and Pam Ryan for a warm and off-the-cuff conversation about friendship, imagination, healing, and what it really means to be ourselves.

    In this episode:

    * The power of community and co-regulation for people who’ve long felt “too much”

    * What happens when deep thinkers stop masking and start mirroring each other

    * A kitchen full of neurodivergent magic and mirroring

    * Finding safety, resonance, and spiritual alignment in community

    * From shared values to shaping new realities—how our friendships have become frameworks

    We reflect on how much we’ve grown, how much we’ve healed, and how profoundly we’ve changed by allowing ourselves to show up as our true selves, together.

    Big news: Chris and Bee have launched a brand new podcast together—✨ cosmic cheer squad ✨

    Visit cosmic cheer squad on Substack

    Follow @cosmiccheersquad on Instagram

    It’s a show blending resistance, storytelling, transformation, and soul-friend energy.

    Links from this episode

    Bee’s Substack:

    * Pragmagination

    Pam’s groups on Facebook:

    * Rogue Valley Brainery & Ludoteca

    * Voodoodleydooers

    Connect with us

    * Positive Disintegration on Substack

    * Visit the Dabrowski Center website

    * Facebook

    * Instagram

    * The Positive Disintegration YouTube Channel

    * Adults with Overexcitabilities group on Facebook

    * The Tragic Gift blog by Emma

    * Email us at positivedisintegration.pod@gmail.com

    * Please consider donating to the Dabrowski Center, a 501(c)(3) nonprofit.

    * Find Positive Disintegration Merch

    If you enjoyed this episode on Apple or Spotify, please remember to click on the stars and leave a rating or write a review. Thank you!



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    43 mins