As we close out 2025 and head straight into divorce season, Lauren & Chanler are joined by their favorite recurring guest — their dad, a longtime divorce attorney — for one of your most-requested annual episodes.

From Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce’s hypothetical prenup to Golden Bachelor drama, Real Housewives breakups, and messy celebrity divorces, Dad breaks down what actually matters legally (and what’s pure Hollywood fiction).

Plus, we answer listener questions on:

• Prenups vs. no prenups
• What really happens after 10 years of marriage
• Substance abuse, gambling, and domestic violence in divorce
• Why mediation without a lawyer can go very wrong
• Red flags to watch for when dating divorcees

It’s informative, unfiltered, funny, and slightly unhinged — exactly how we like to ring in the New Year. 🥂⚖️

⏱️ Timestamps

00:00 — Welcome to divorce season 🎄➡️💔

01:45 — Introducing Dad (and why listeners love him) 👨‍⚖️❤️

04:00 — Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce: billionaire prenups explained 💍💰

08:30 — Do you really need a prenup? 🤔📜

12:45 — When prenups backfire emotionally 😬

15:10 — The 10-year marriage rule (myth vs reality) 🔟⚖️

18:40 — Nicole Kidman & Keith Urban’s sobriety clause 🧾🚫🍷

22:15 — Golden Bachelor divorce + protecting kids’ inheritances 👴💍

27:00 — Kyle Richards & Mauricio: separation dates explained 🏠📅

31:30 — Vocational evaluations & “fake unemployment” 💼📉

34:45 — Divorcing someone with a drinking problem 🍺🚫

39:10 — Dating before divorce: does the court care? 💔➡️❤️

41:45 — Trusts, inheritances & when kids get paid 💼👨‍👩‍👧

44:30 — Higher-earning wives & alimony fears 💸⚖️

47:20 — Red flags when dating divorced men 🚩👀

49:40 — Secret gambling & breach of marital trust 🎰🚫

52:30 — Why mediation without a lawyer is dangerous ⚠️📄

55:10 — Emotional abuse vs physical abuse in divorce 🧠⚖️

57:00 — Final advice, family love & New Year send-off 🥂❤️

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Merry Christmas, Global Elites 🎄 We’re bringing back one of the most unhinged, accidentally iconic episodes in Pop Apologists history. Originally recorded two years ago, Olive Oil & Blood is a time capsule of early-era Lauren and Chanler.

First released January 5, 2022.

timestamps:

(00:00:00) ☕ Caffeine & the Will to Live — post-holiday dread, coffee as medicine, and existential morning spirals

(00:05:05) 🍪 Failed Business Fantasies — fresh homemade cookies, startup delusion, and entrepreneurial reality checks

(00:10:20) 🧳 Family Visit Trauma — parents in nyc, outdoor dining chaos, and first impressions with ben

(00:18:55) 🚕 Mom on the Streets — flirting, micro-aggressions, and being unjaded in new york

(00:23:10) 🤠 Yellowstone Discourse — cowboy fantasies vs. reality, cringe dialogue, and farmer-core exposure therapy

(00:29:20) 📸 Celebrity Body Politics — david foster, katharine mcphee, and why the caption was the real problem

(00:37:45) 💍 Men Behaving Badly — steve lodge, bravo engagements, and patriarchy fatigue

(00:39:45) 🧠 Sunday Scaries — millennial work dread, weekend anxiety, and emotional preparation rituals

(00:43:50) 🍳 Domestic Reset — cooking resolutions, grocery ambition, and false confidence

(00:46:35) 🫒 Olive Oil & Blood — the grocery bag breaks, the fall, the injuries, and instant regret

(00:53:00) ❤️ Acts of Service — why the chaos was (almost) worth it and a rare tender moment

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(00:08:30) — The End of an Era docuseries drops

(00:12:24) — The Southport attack segment: Taylor struggles to speak, prepares to meet victim’s families, and absorbs unimaginable grief.

(00:18 :00) — Inside the Eras Tour bonus checks: nearly $200M distributed, dancers’ lives changed, and industry norms shattered.

(00:21:00) — Dancing is hard: Taylor learning choreography by lyrics, rehearsing with Florence, and spotlight-sharing done right.

(00:24:38) — Travis Kelce check-in: the post-London call, Vienna anxiety, and quiet relationship intimacy on display.

(00:28:40) — Night time routine: after-concert-ritual, avoiding drug addiction, and crazy sleep schedule.

(00:35:00) — Andrea Swift moments: emotional containment, post-tragedy comfort, and the ultimate emotional backbone.

(00:36:00) — Surprise guests and backstage vibes: Ed Sheeran appearances and deeply questionable green-room furniture.

(00:39:00) — RHOBH whiplash: Kyle & Mauricio’s separation, sad flirting, and sterile bachelor-pad décor.

(00:49:48) — Amanda enters RHOBH: Money Queen branding, manifestation courses, and immediate group tension.

(00:57:4 0) — Megan King custody update: CPS involvement, medication issues, and a genuinely dark Bravo headline.

(01:00:45) — Bronwyn & Todd: open-marriage confusion, emotional whiplash, and new beginnings for Bronwyn

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