Bestselling author Cheryl Strayed believes that writing your truth can set you free.

Today we’re sharing an excerpt from her conversation with Thomas at the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit. In it, she shares about a profound healing act that helped her process deep grief and trauma…writing. More specifically, the way that writing demands raw honesty and vulnerability, revealing our deepest truths about our human experiences.

It’s also an incredibly effective way to combat the isolation and loneliness that often accompany grief or trauma. In Cheryl’s case, sharing her truth in her book, Wild, inspired people to reach out to her with their own stories of loss and pain, creating unexpected, deeply authentic connections. And it’s through these connections that we can build much-needed shared spaces for healing individual and collective trauma.

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✨ Cheryl Strayed is the author of the #1 New York Times bestseller Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Crest Trail, which was adapted into an Oscar-nominated film. Her other books include Tiny Beautiful Things, Torch, and Brave Enough. Her work has appeared in The Best American Essays, The New York Times, and Vogue, among others. Also a podcast host and playwright, Strayed lives in Portland, Oregon.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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What if opening yourself to grief could actually help you feel more alive?

This week, Thomas sits down with psychotherapist, writer, and soul activist Francis Weller for a powerful conversation about befriending grief, embracing healing rituals in collective spaces, and the power of the past to transform the future.

It’s so common for people in pain to turn away from it, to avoid their grief and sorrow, or to think that they can muscle through in isolation. But in the deep wisdom that Francis shares here, the opposite is true. Our personal grief, as well as the trauma inherited from our ancestors, yearns for a social container where it can be safely and openly witnessed, processed, and integrated.

The beauty in this is what comes from this relationship to grief, and that’s access to a vast wellspring of inspiration, intuition, and renewed vitality. Francis and Thomas dive deep into how we can open ourselves to these processes and how they can transmute collective sorrow into profound societal transformation.

The second half of Thomas and Francis' conversation will air next week.

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✨ Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, author, and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, Indigenous cultures, and poetic traditions. His books, including The Wild Edge of Sorrow, have introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. Francis founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from Indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from Western poetic, psychological, and spiritual traditions. For more than forty years, Francis has worked as a psychotherapist and developed a style he calls soul-centered psychotherapy.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core...

Have you ever pulled away from someone you love—not because you didn’t care, but because closeness felt too painful?

This week, Thomas is joined by renowned couples therapy expert Dr. Terry Real for a conversation on how trauma affects our relationships with ourselves, our intimate partners, and the world at large—and how we can heal those wounds.

Intimacy isn’t just something you share with other people; it’s also an authentic connection with yourself. Thomas and Terry explore how our relationships are impacted by trauma from the past, why we become triggered in the present, and what it takes to establish trust, safety, and understanding.

These are essential lessons for anyone who wants to shift from conflict to connection, both in your personal life and in the way that you impact the world around you.

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✨ Dr. Terry Real has been a practicing family therapist for more than thirty years, and his work has been featured on many major news outlets, TV shows, and in numerous academic publications. His most recent book Us: Getting Past You & Me to Build a More Loving Relationship, is a New York Times Bestseller. Terry founded the Relational Life Institute (RLI), which is dedicated to teaching the general public how to live relational lives and to teaching mental health professionals the practice of Relational Life Therapy.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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To honor the life of beloved poet and beautiful human being Andrea Gibson, we're sharing their episode of the podcast again.

Andrea's work, energy, vulnerability, and exceptional passion for life were inspiring for all of us on the Point of Relation team, and we were so sad to hear of their recent passing.

In this conversation with Thomas, Andrea speaks from the heart about courageously embracing death and grief, the spiritually transformative power of facing your mortality, the absolute necessity of creative self-expression, and how to face the unknown with curiosity, wonder, and awe.

And if you're not familiar with Andrea's work, we highly recommend you track down their books of poetry at your local bookstore, or visit: https://andreagibson.com

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Can healing yourself really help heal the world?

This week, Thomas sits down with Amandine Roche, a human rights and women’s empowerment expert with more than 20 years of experience with the United Nations and European Union. Amandine’s extensive work in conflict zones worldwide was driven by a deep, personal quest for healing from childhood trauma.

But the work itself took a toll on her mental and physical health, leading her on a journey of healing that uncovered an essential core truth that she now works to spread: we must have inner peace if we want to work for outer peace.

Amandine shares beautifully honest details from her own personal struggles and offers a unique perspective on embracing femininity in human rights work and all forms of leadership. She and Thomas explore the need for collective spaces and new skills to digest world events and prevent the repetition of painful social and political patterns.

It’s an empowering conversation that highlights the absolute necessity of self-alignment and inner healing in humanitarian work and any type of effort toward peace and harmony in a world in crisis.

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✨ Amandine Roche is a Human Rights and women’s empowerment expert with 20 years of experience in conflict contexts across Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America. She’s worked with the United Nations Department of Peacekeeping, the European Commission, and other organizations.

She’s an author, photographer, explorer, public speaker, social entrepreneur, and yoga and meditation teacher. Amandine is also a healer and a Search Inside Yourself teacher.

She’s the founder of the Amanuddin Foundation in Afghanistan and the Inner Peacekeeping Program for humanitarians on the front line. She is now creating the Inner Peace Corps organization to bring the tools of inner peace to refugee camps.

Learn more about and connect with Amandine here:

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is

Do your words always match your inner truth?

In this short teaching, Thomas Hübl shares simple but effective practices to help you tune in to your own energy with presence and clarity so that you can express yourself with genuine intention. This type of energetic alignment is a powerful way to connect with your creative potential and express yourself with full embodiment.

It’s also a way to transform the communication in your relationships, and discover truths about yourself that previously remained hidden in your unconscious mind. We hope you’ll tune in to help unlock your authentic voice and create more coherence in your life.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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What happens when we see our individual struggles reflected in humanity’s collective crises? How does our individual healing create collective healing?

This week, Thomas shares why we need to unearth the trauma that’s deeply entrenched in our societies and cultures so that it can be processed, integrated, and transformed into growth. We may be familiar with this process in our own healing journey—now it’s time to do the work as a collective.

Thomas explores a technique that he calls “systemic sensing,” a way of feeling through archaeological and ancestral layers to bring regulation to the collective nervous system as we reckon with global challenges.

This episode is an invitation to be a part of a global detox—a difficult but essential process that can generate post-traumatic learning, development, and even flourishing.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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“For complex PTSD, you have to establish a relationship. And only after trust has been established can you do the trauma-focused work.”

This week, Thomas sits down with Dr. Judith Lewis Herman, an author and senior lecturer in psychiatry and Harvard Medical School, to explore her groundbreaking work on the psychology and social and cultural aspects of Complex PTSD, or CPTSD. Unlike the better-known diagnosis of PTSD, CPTSD arises from prolonged, repeated trauma that erodes one’s sense of self and ability to trust.

So, how should we approach healing and therapy for this uniquely challenging diagnosis?

Dr. Herman believes there is hope, and it comes from the healing power of relationships…a tough pill to swallow for those whose trauma arose from abusive or coercively controlling relationships. But therein lies the key to healing—a therapeutic bond where the patient’s experience is validated, their safety is paramount, and trust is carefully built up through mutuality.

But it’s not just therapy where healing can occur. Thomas and Dr. Herman discuss the importance of acknowledgment for people who’ve experienced ongoing trauma and how lifting shame from victims and survivors and transferring it to the perpetrators is an essential shift with powerful healing potential. They also explore social movements, like the women's and civil rights movements, that can lead to helpful reforms and the development of new support systems for trauma survivors.

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✨ Judith Lewis Herman, M.D., is a Senior Lecturer in Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and was Director of Training at the Victims of Violence Program at Cambridge Hospital. She is the author of multiple award-winning books, including Truth and Repair: How Trauma Survivors Envision Justice. She has received numerous awards, including a Guggenheim Fellowship and the Lifetime Achievement Award from the International Society for Traumatic Stress Studies. In 2007, she was named Distinguished Life Fellow of the American Psychiatric Association.

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Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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