Will human wisdom ever be able to match the progress of technology?

This week, Thomas is joined by Soren Gordhamer, the founder of Wisdom 2.0, for a deep dive into spiritual consciousness, technology, and how we can hold on to what’s most essential in life as we face the complex challenges of the digital age.

As humans experience unprecedented levels of global connection, we’re also facing a crisis of loneliness, fragmentation, and polarization. Soren suspects that our “inner technologies of the heart” (wisdom, compassion, and self-awareness) aren’t keeping pace with algorithms, devices, and AI. He and Thomas discuss how regulating our nervous systems and tending to our spiritual practices can help offset the negative effects of technological overload.

But individual evolution isn’t enough. This conversation explores the critical need for tech creators to infuse their work with ethical values and a collective reigning in of greed and unfettered capitalism to prevent a dysregulated society from misusing super-intelligent technologies.

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✨ Join Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.

This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.

The Summit begins on October 12.

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✨ Soren Gordhamer is founder and host of Wisdom 2.0, a partner at Wisdom Ventures, and author of the new book THE ESSENTIAL: Discovering What Really Matters in an Age of Distraction. For nearly two decades, Soren has been a pioneering force in bridging modern technology with ancient wisdom, demonstrating how we can live mindfully and compassionately in today’s fast-paced world.

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👉 https://www.sorengordhamer.net

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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Are you truly existing in the world, or are you trying to escape it?

This week, Thomas shares an exploration into personal and societal evolution. It all begins with creating an inner spaciousness from which we can engage with the world with embodied presence, even when it’s difficult and uncomfortable.

This teaching invites you to see challenges as gateways for transformation where innovation can emerge. Thomas shares how this principle applies on a small scale in our personal lives and on a larger scale as our societies undergo a detox process to digest the wounds of the past.

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Video episodes are typically posted at 8am PT/ 11am ET

✨ Join Thomas and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.

This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.

The Summit begins on October 12.

Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com

✨ Sign up for updates by visiting our website:

👉 https://pointofrelationpodcast.com

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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“Our history is not a history of divide. Our history is a history of coming together in greater and greater numbers.” - john a. powell

In this special bonus episode, Thomas sits down with john a. powell, law professor and Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute, to investigate the root causes and social function of “othering.”

Humans are wired for connection, and according to john, othering is actually an unfortunate byproduct of our desire to belong and survive within a specific group.

He and Thomas explore how storytelling has shaped the trajectory of human evolution, and how we can embrace our inherent interconnectedness to write more inclusive and peaceful stories for our shared future.

If you’d like to hear the full conversation between john and Thomas, it’s one of over 30 talks included in the upcoming Collective Trauma Summit 2025. Click on the link below to register for this free online event.

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✨ Join Thomas, john a. powell, and over 40 expert leaders in trauma-healing, embodiment, somatics, and social change for 7 days of embodied practices, guided reflection, and powerful interviews at the Collective Trauma Summit 2025.

This free, online event will help you deepen your understanding of trauma, learn practices for deeper presence, regulation, and compassion, and connect with a supportive global community.

The Summit begins on October 12.

Register for free here 👉 https://collectivetraumasummit.com

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✨ john a. powell is Director of the Othering and Belonging Institute and Professor of Law, African American, and Ethnic Studies at UC Berkeley. He has led institutes focused on race and poverty at Ohio State and the University of Minnesota, and formerly served as National Legal Director of the ACLU. A co-founder of the Poverty & Race Research Action Council, he is known for developing frameworks of “targeted universalism” and “othering and belonging” to effect equity-based interventions.

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👉 https://belonging.berkeley.edu

Thomas Hübl, PhD, is a renowned teacher, author, and international facilitator who works within the complexity of systems and cultural change, integrating the core insights of the great wisdom traditions and mysticism with the discoveries of science. Since the early 2000s, he has led large-scale events and courses on the healing of collective trauma.

In addition to Attuned, he is the author of Healing Collective Trauma: A Process for Integrating Our Intergenerational and Cultural Wounds. He has served as an advisor and guest faculty for universities and organizations, as a coach for CEOs and organizational leaders, and is currently a visiting scholar at the Wyss Institute at Harvard University.

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