• Ep 386: The SEO Lie You Didn't Know You Bought
    May 8 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · MPM_Episode_386Kevin, Jackie, and Beth explore why panic marketing leads to bad decisions—and why AI, chatbots, and SEO are still misunderstood tools, not magical solutions. They unpack the overreaction to AI “replacing” Google, the importance of strategic authority in marketing, and the hard truth that too much content is just as bad as too little. Plus: how builders can actually compete with resale, avoid misleading optimism, and why YouTube is still often the most underused, but valuable tool in your toolkit.Story Time:Beth makes a call for marketers to reclaim authority—and stop letting others clutter the top of the funnel.Jackie recounts the “ChatGPT is replacing Google” debate—and why data still tells a different story. Inspiration and burnout: Why looking outside the industry isn’t helpful without true internal context.Kevin reflects on building your message for marketers who’ve been in the seat for 12 months or less, and how leadership often unintentionally derails them.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSOnline Sales & Marketing Summit 50% Sold Out! Grab Your Tickets TodayIn The News: 2025 SEM-PPC Benchmarks by Sarah Simmerman Top Chatbots Are Giving Horrible Financial AdviceSee How Your State Ranks on the New Realtor.com Report CardWhy the Housing Market is Actually Much Healthier in 2025Things We Love - Things We Hate:Jackie: LOVES YouTube (University) for solving everyday problems—one backyard faucet at a time.Beth: Hates eye dilation after a doctor visit; loves ambient bird sounds as background for builder content.Kevin: Loves a builder video that highlights running errands on a typical Saturday in a particular community.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 385: Content Is Still King - But Now With Receipts
    May 1 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 385 - Content Still King - Now With Receipts In this episode, Kevin, Beth, and Julie tackle the power of foundational marketing—reminding us that great content isn't a trend, it's the baseline. They unpack why “just run more ads” is a dangerous trap, how AI is becoming a real-world assistant (but also maybe your nosy coworker), and what Disney, Chick-fil-A, and Hamilton all teach us about brand experience. Plus, why resale is back, price reductions aren’t a failure, and cookies might be eternal after all.Story Time (1:15):Julie shares how simply improving website content transformed lead quality and campaign results.Beth reminds us that content needs intentionality—posting for followers ≠ posting for buyers.Beth “confesses” to inviting Kevin to a strategy call—and how collaboration shifted a builder’s mindset.Kevin reflects on staying calm in market chaos and helping new marketers zoom out from ad metrics to real business impact. AI to the rescue: Kevin uses "deep research" AI to fix his fridge (and skips paying an overpriced repair bill).SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSOnline Sales & Marketing Summit 50% Sold Out! Grab Your Tickets TodayIn The News: Opt-In To OpenAI’s Memory Feature? 5 Crucial Things To KnowHow Tariffs Will Impact Digital Ad Spend (in surprising ways!)Google Will Keep Cookies and Backtrack on its Opt-Out PlansNew Data: Google's AI Overviews are Hurting (Some) Click-through RatesThings We Love - Things We Hate:Beth: Loved Disney’s flawless experience (and its marketing mastery); felt the pain of Universal’s less-than-magical contrast.Julie: Finally saw Hamilton live—loved it even more than expected, especially with her fully-costumed son Kevin: Loves carbs in Italy, hates the chaos of driving through medieval towns (and possibly racking up €500 in traffic violations).BONUS - link to the Chik-fil-a article Kevin referencedLike and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 384: DYC Education Deep Dive – Special Takeover Edition
    Apr 24 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 384: DYC Education Deep Dive – Special Takeover Edition Special Takeover: Mike Lyon & the team discuss all of the DYC educational experiences. With Kevin Oakley away in Italy, Mike Lyon leads a lively and insightful discussion with the DYC team about their robust lineup of educational offerings for home builder sales and marketing professionals. Expect laughs, passionate pitches, and a whole lot of insider knowledge.💡 Highlights of Educational Programs:🧠 Online Sales & Marketing Summit• Returning to Chicago by popular demand• Focuses on education, networking, and industry best practices• Largest gathering of online sales specialists in the industry• “The biggest party for online sales specialists in the universe!”🎓 Online Sales Academy• 8-week virtual course for new or untrained OSCs• Includes 3 live sessions + on-demand training• Offers a certification upon completion• Next session: Starts May 20, 2025👩‍💼 Online Sales Academy: Leadership Edition• For leaders managing OSCs• Includes 3-day kickoff, quarterly sessions, and summit meet-up• Emphasizes program success metrics and understanding the OSC role📈 Market Proof Marketing Academy• Expanded to include strategy, execution, and leadership insights• Led by Jackie, Sarah, Beth, Julie, Karla, and Kevin• Covers Google/Meta marketing, budgeting, algorithms, and more• Next session: May 6–8, 2025 with follow-ups over 8 weeks🎨 Rise and Design (New!)• A creative retreat for marketers and designers• In-person, hands-on intensive in Columbus, OH (Aug 27–28)• Co-led by Karla Tuten and Kevin Oakley• Designed for brand, creative, and marketing teams needing community and deeper problem-solving🤝 Marketing Leadership Collective• Year-long leadership development for marketers• Involves curated peer groups, guest speakers, mentorship, and industry-first previews• Originated as a “shadow project,” now a cornerstone experience• Invitation-based, application required 🗣️ Notable Quotes:• “This is like a crash course in new home marketing—by nerds, for nerds.” – Jackie• “You’ll feel seen. Inspired. Reinvigorated.” – Beth• “We’re doing the Lord’s work.” – Mike (in jest) 📢 Closing Notes:• Subscribe, rate & review the podcast• Share feedback at show@doyouconvert.com• Join the free DYC All Access membership for behind-the-scenes content• Special thanks to all past and future Academy attendees!Transcript"Mike Lyon: Yeah, yeah, some little behind the scenes before we get on.Mike Lyon: Mike was chastising everybody about the audio.Mike Lyon: Jen was right.Mike Lyon: Prize.Jen Barkan: Surprise, surprise.Beth Russell: Know, self-proclaimed audio engineer.Mike Lyon: Yes, I build websites, and I have Misophonia which you can. Google, that one, ladies and gentlemen hey, welcome to episode 384. My name is Mike Lyon, and with me today are these illustrious, wonderful people, Beth, Jackie, Sarah Jen. Carla will join us eventually, and the sound is a little bit differentMike Lyon: my voice, because Kevin Oakley is gone. He is on a world world tour of ItalyMike Lyon: with his wife for his 20thMike Lyon: wedding anniversary. And I was thinking about this guys, have you, have you ever seen Kevin go anywhere with Jess's wife?Jackie Lipinski: Now.Jen Barkan: No.Mike Lyon: I have.Mike Lyon: I don't think I have either.Jackie Lipinski: I'm pretty sure he giggled in a video. And I was like, What is that, Kevin?Mike Lyon: What is happening.Jackie Lipinski: Yeah.Jen Barkan: Eating ice, eating gelato twice.Mike Lyon: I know.Jen Barkan: We've been.Mike Lyon: Stalking his stories. But I really would. I want to fact, check that when he gets back to see if he has ever been somewhere, just with his wife only.Mike Lyon: But we're so happy for him. What do we do when he's gone? We take over the podcastMike Lyon: and I knowMike Lyon: you know the opening says that we're here to help you not sell you. But when Mike takes over I start selling stuff.Jen Barkan: No.Beth Russell: Oh, my goodness!Mike Lyon: Watch out everybody. Yeah, it's gonna happen. No. But what are we? What do we want to do? We want to do something fun and unique.Mike Lyon: This for this podcast and not just to obviously drop something on you, but also save it for posterity in the future. Because we have so many educational opportunities for our builder partners, and beyond in the home builder space that we wanted to go through each one and kind of talk about what it is and who it's for. And so that's why we have these awesome people together. We're going to try and break the Internet and just invite everybodyMike Lyon: from our our company to joinMike Lyon: So that's what we're gonna do today. Excuse me, and then we'll we'll take and put this out there. So if someone, you know sends an email and says, Should I come to? You know the marketing leadership collective? We'll go, hey? ...
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  • Ep 383: You’re Not as Ready as You Think
    Apr 17 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 383 -You’re Not as Ready as You ThinkKevin and Jackie reveal why real preparation means more than feeling ready—it means verifying your tools, processes, and assumptions. They challenge builders to stop reacting to trends and instead double down on differentiation, deliberate marketing, and human connection. Plus: why AI-generated content might begin hurting your SEO, and what billiard balls can teach you about chaos and prediction.Story Time: Jackie jump-starts a stranger’s car… and realizes her own “safety net” (a dead jumper box) was useless.Why checking your “mental trunk” matters: skills and tools degrade if you’re not recharging them.Kevin dives into why you can’t (and shouldn’t) try to prepare for every emergency🧠 1000Watt Event Takeaway: Why huddling with the herd is the worst marketing move you can make.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSOnline Sales & Marketing Summit Tickets Now On Sale!In The News: As Economic Challenges Persist, Your Brand Can Still InnovateGoogle quality raters now assess whether content is AI-generatedSocial media 'most overrated' marketing skill, study finds Things We Love - Things We Hate:Kevin loves babysitters—especially when you’re sneaking away to Italy for an anniversary trip. Hates the long flights (but admits they’re peaceful without kids!).Jackie loves her mini greenhouse, packed with 90 tomato plants, and the pure joy of sharing the food.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always Suck
    Apr 10 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 382 - Your First 3 Ideas Always SuckKevin, Julie, and Jackie unpack the difference between shortcut thinking and strategic depth in marketing—from the value of real buyer stories to asking better follow-up questions. They explore how transparency, timing, and self-awareness can shape stronger marketing strategies without leaning on fear or fluff. Plus: AI overload, advisory boards, and what happens when salespeople skip the long game.Story Time: Julie shares the best interview question she’s heard—and how it changes team culture. Jackie’s husband donates blood—and the group discusses how builders can build loyalty by closing the feedback loop. Kevin reflects on the difference between discovering problems vs. solving them once—and why advisory boards must be experiential, not just informational.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Final Chance!Online Sales & Marketing Summit Tickets Now On Sale!In The News: Why "Just" is the Most Dangerous Word in Marketing and DesignDebt Data Rings AlarmsDo Homebuilders Waste Money on Marketing No One Trusts?Things We Love - Things We Hate:Julie hates that Meta keeps tweaking ad settings behind the scenes—expect an update from Sarah Simmerman soon.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 381 - The Scooby-Doo Method
    Apr 3 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 381 - The Scooby-Doo MethodBeth, Jackie, and Julie uncover the value of process-driven problem-solving in marketing, from diagnosing odd data spikes to rethinking event strategy. They explore how tools like Loom, AI creator hubs, and collaborative data practices can transform communication and performance. Plus, honest talk about what Mercedes at The Masters can teach builders about intentional brand experiences.Story Time (02:06): Jackie’s knee injury turns into a masterclass on data diagnosis and marketing analysis—hello, Market Proof Algorithm IRL.Julie shares a case of suspicious ad results that weren’t what they seemed, and the importance of digging deeper.Beth compares marketing detective work to an episode of House (or Scooby-Doo), and how uncovering truth takes time.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Over 50% of tickets have been sold! Class begins May 6th.Online Sales & Marketing Summit VIP Tickets Now On Sale!In The News (21:13): Meta's Instagram Announces New AI-Powered Tools, Creator Marketing SolutionsBad Data Bleeds Homebuilder Profits - Time to Stop The Loss(Referenced) Attribution is B.S. - 3 Part GuideThings We Love - Things We Hate (31:33):Jackie: Winning her Toastmasters speech competition—proof that exposure therapy works!Julie: Her 16-year-old’s joy over his first car (older than he is).Beth: Watching her Marketing Leadership Collective cohort bond and pour into one another.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 380 - Buyers Are Liars To Themselves
    Mar 27 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 380 - Buyers Are Liars To ThemselvesIn this episode, Kevin, Beth, and Julie dive into the psychological journey of today’s homebuyer—especially how they often say they’re “just looking” while subconsciously preparing to buy. From a sister’s “accidental” contract to the unexpected post-sale influence of a handyman, this one’s all about perception, timing, and customer experience. They also unpack the return of escalation clauses (wait - WHAT?), digital marketing data myths, and the tangled web of AI over-promises—yes, we’re looking at you, Siri.Story Time (01:00): Mike Lyon reflects on early OSC days, when managing leads felt like a side hustle.Kevin Oakley’s family listens to old podcast episodes, roasting his past takes and how you can get more sales with fewer leads.Jackie shares a content strategy for competing with national builders.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTSUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Tickets are now available! Class begins May 6th.Online Sales & Marketing Summit VIP Tickets Go On Sale April 4th. You're on the VIP list, right?In The News (16:45): What's Your CTR Telling You? A Guide to Understanding Click-Through RateApple Is Lying About Apple Intelligence7 Facts About Today's BuyersPerplexity's Biggest Ad Yet Pits Its AI Search Against "Poogle"Things We Love - Things We Hate (41:29):Beth: TwoPages CurtainsJulie: Jiu JitsuKevin: A fancy letter opener, and the guitar his kids got himLike and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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  • Ep 379 - RocketFin or Red Rocket?
    Mar 20 2025
    Market Proof Marketing · Ep 379 - RocketFin or RedRocket?Kevin Oakley is back this week, and is joined by Julie Jarnagin and Beth Russell. This week's episode kicks off with a funny story from Kevin about being everyone's best friend, and shifts into story time, covering insightful calls with builders the team has had recently. News stories discussed include Google lifting its 2019 ban on fingerprinting for advertisers, a deep dive into the effectiveness of builder incentives, AI readiness in homebuilding, and a new task manager blog written by DYC's very own, Samantha Kellenberger!Story Time (02:31): Mike Lyon reflects on early OSC days, when managing leads felt like a side hustle.Kevin Oakley’s family listens to old podcast episodes, roasting his past takes and how you can get more sales with fewer leads.Jackie shares a content strategy for competing with national builders.SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENTUnlock Your Digital Marketing Potential: Master Proven Strategies With The Upgraded Market Proof Marketing Academy!Tickets are now available! Class begins May 6th.In The News (24:15): Why "Just" is the Most Dangerous Word in Marketing and DesignRedfin Acquired By Rocket CompaniesAI Search Has Some Big ProblemsGoogle Announces "AI Mode" For Search Results That Only Shows You AI SlopForget Dream Homes - Here's What First Time Buyers Really Want in 2025Things We Love - Things We Hate (53:30):Jackie: Her son’s birthday & the infamous "Bluey" cake fail.Mike: His love-hate relationship with AI for schoolwork.Kevin: Discovering that both he & his wife are obsessed with analogies.Like and subscribe on your favorite platform!

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