Thirteen days into a missing persons case that has captivated national media, the story isn't the search anymore—it's the searchers. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has turned a crisis investigation into a reputational implosion, and former ABC News correspondent Clayton Sandell walks me through exactly how it happened.

Guest: Clayton Sandell covered high-profile missing persons and mass casualty events for ABC News, including the Aurora theater shooting and numerous FBI-led investigations. He knows what institutional competence looks like during a crisis—and what we're watching in Arizona isn't it.

In this episode:

• The press conference mistake that telegraphed weakness to every reporter in the room
• Why showing up at a basketball game wasn't a harmless decompression—it was a strategic failure that signaled misplaced priorities
• How the sheriff's defensive one-on-one interviews with outlets like People Magazine actively undermined the investigation's credibility
• The moment the FBI stopped coordinating and started competing with local law enforcement over evidence
• Why armchair internet detectives are producing better investigative questions than official press releases

What you'll understand after listening: How to spot when crisis response shifts from serving the mission to protecting the messenger. Why defensive quotes ("I had to decompress") reveal someone who's lost control of their narrative. The difference between information vacuums that build suspense versus those that breed conspiracy theories and erode institutional trust.

This isn't celebrity gossip. It's a case study in how law enforcement creates secondary crises by prioritizing self-protection over transparency.

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When law enforcement calls a press conference, they're supposed to provide clarity and control the narrative. Last week's Pima County Sheriff's press conference about missing 84-year-old Nancy Guthrie—mother of Today Show anchor Savannah Guthrie—did the opposite.

I brought on Emmy-winning former network correspondent Clayton Sandell to break down what went wrong. He spoke with me during a live chat on Substack on February 6, 2026. Clayton spent 25+ years covering major breaking news for ABC and Scripps, and now trains leaders on crisis communication. If anyone knows what a press conference should look like, it's him.

We dissect:

• Why Sheriff Nanos appeared defensive and disorganized from the start
• The critical mistakes: "Your guess is as good as mine" and "mistakes will be made"
• How the FBI agent's composure highlighted the sheriff's struggles
• Ashley Banfield's controversial reporting on a "person of interest"
• Whether the $50,000 reward press conference was even necessary
• Why the family's ransom video echoes Silence of the Lambs
• How NBC is managing tragedy during Olympic coverage

This isn't a true-crime episode; it's crisis communication. However, the discussion does shed light on how an investigation can lose its way. When a press conference becomes part of the crisis instead of the solution, every misstep gets magnified. This case study shows exactly how that happens in real time.

What you'll learn: How to spot when officials are scrambling versus strategically withholding information, the difference between media training for one-on-ones versus press conferences, why "focusing on process" signals a lack of substantive leads, and what reporters are really looking for when they're in that room.

Guest: Clayton Sandell, Emmy Award-winning former ABC News and Scripps correspondent, crisis communication trainer

Watch the press conference here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPe6wG3GY0

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Breaking down Peter Attia’s public PR response after his name appears more than 1,700 times in recently released Epstein-related documents. The documents include emails and calendar references tying Attia to Jeffrey Epstein over multiple years. While the files do not allege Attia participated in Epstein’s criminal sexual conduct, the relationship and tone of the correspondence raise serious questions about judgment, proximity to power, and credibility.

Attia, a high-profile longevity figure with a paid membership and major online influence, posted a statement on X that he says was originally written to his staff and shared with patients. Molly walks through the statement nearly line by line to show why a response that leans on legal framing and denial language can fail to meet the public’s real concern, which is moral discernment and ethical boundaries.

In this episode

• Who Peter Attia is and why his credibility is core to his brand
• What it means to be referenced 1,700 times in the Epstein files
• The reputational problem of sustained contact after Epstein’s 2008 conviction
• Why using one internal letter for public consumption can backfire
• The danger of treating a values crisis like a facts-only crisis
• How denials and courtroom-style phrasing can read as calculated
• Why intent and explanation rarely repair trust on their own
• The spillover effect occurs when the public starts scrutinizing everything else
• The bottom line lesson for anyone building a reputation online

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Most leaders hide behind surprise when disaster strikes. Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara did the opposite.

In a January 2025 interview with The New York Times' Michael Barbaro, O'Hara said the killing of Renee Good by an ICE agent was "predictable and entirely preventable"—and that he'd said so publicly the day before it happened. Days after I recorded this episode, federal agents killed Alex Pretti, a VA nurse, in another operation that has drawn national outcry.

This episode isn't about policing. It's about what leadership looks like when:

• The crisis you predicted happens anyway
• Your people are exhausted and under-resourced
• You're caught between powerful institutions and community grief
• One bad moment could erase years of progress

O'Hara doesn't perform. He doesn't spin. He names fear, admits fragility, and refuses to let federal agencies off the hook for dangerous tactics—even when it would be easier to stay quiet.

If you lead anything—a team, a company, a movement—this interview will show you what accountability sounds like when the performance stops and the real work begins.

LISTEN TO THE FULL INTERVIEW: The Daily, January 13, 2025: "Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hara" with Michael Barbaro

KEY MOMENTS:

• Why saying "this was predictable" is the hardest—and most important—leadership move
• The F-bomb that built trust instead of breaking it
• How O'Hara critiques ICE without collapsing into blame
• What it means to hold both empathy and accountability at the same time
• Why "turn the heat down" isn't neutrality—it's survival

TRIGGER WARNING: This episode discusses police violence, federal enforcement operations, and community trauma.

Recorded January 2025. Updated following the killing of Alex Pretti on January 25, 2025.

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Brooklyn Beckham just torched his parents on Instagram, and the timing? Impeccable. Devastating. Strategic.

In this episode, breaking down the Beckham family crisis as it unfolded in real time (Literally! Molly was doing a live BBC interview about the drama while it was still erupting). From Brooklyn's calculated Instagram story to David Beckham's suspiciously polished CNBC damage control, this is a masterclass in reputation warfare dressed up as family dysfunction.

This isn't just celebrity gossip. It's a case study in power, perception, and the brutal calculus of crisis management when the stakes are both personal and public.

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When Renee Goode was killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, two completely different stories emerged from the same event. One side called her a domestic terrorist who weaponized her Honda Pilot, while the other saw a mother trying to escape. As a crisis manager from the Twin Cities, I break down the competing narratives from President Trump, JD Vance, Kristi Noem, Governor Tim Walz, and Mayor Jacob Frey to reveal the five hidden cues in any crisis communication: who gets humanized first, how they treat uncertainty, what the process looks like, what they ask you to do with your anger, and what happens to people who disagree.

This isn't just political analysis, it's a framework you can apply to workplace drama, family conflict, or any situation where someone's trying to control the narrative. You'll learn why Walz's calm messaging worked after he learned from past mistakes, how Frey's profanity-laced response was strategically brilliant, and why the administration's gaslighting playbook falls apart under scrutiny. Once you learn to spot these patterns, you can't unsee them—in politics or in your personal life.

Trigger Warning: This episode discusses a fatal police shooting and contains strong language.

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This week, Minnesota Governor Tim Walz abruptly ended his bid for a third term. This episode was recorded four days earlier during a live conversation and, in hindsight, it explains exactly why this outcome was almost inevitable.

Amid a sprawling welfare fraud crisis that Republicans and former President Donald Trump turned into a national political flashpoint, the pressure escalated, division deepened, and Walz found himself trying to govern while defending his political future at the same time. Walz ultimately said he could not justify campaigning while confronting systemic fraud and the blowback it was generating, choosing to focus on governing instead. What looks like a Walz versus Trump showdown is really a cautionary tale about how leadership falters when distraction becomes the strategy and noise replaces accountability.

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This is the most downloaded episode of the year, resurfaced for the holiday week because the fallout is still unfolding in real time. Breaking down the Hollywood power struggle between Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, with Ryan Reynolds playing a pivotal and controversial role, all sparked by a single voicemail that cracked open a much larger conversation about control, narrative management, and reputation at the highest level.

This episode lays the groundwork for understanding the strategies, missteps, and PR decisions shaping the legal battle and the court of public opinion. If you want my latest take on where this saga stands now, you can read it in this week’s People Magazine, where I was featured by writer Elizabeth Rosner, analyzing the reputational stakes as they continue to ripple outward.

"Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni "Will Be Tied Together in History's After Legal War as Battle Hits 1 Year: PR Expert." People, December 23, 2025

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