It was quite the weekend for Nordic skiing in the United States. The World Cup visited Lake Placid, NY, and I was there along with 14,000 plus other spectators to take it all in. We saw some of the biggest names in cross-country skiing take to the line and race in the snow and even in the rain. As an avid Nordic skier, it was awesome to see it all happen in a location that I have skied (although at much slower speeds).

One of the main attractions was the retirement of Jessie Diggins, the greatest Nordic athlete ever to come out of the United States. Her legacy however goes well beyond the Olympic medals and world championships. When she talks about her career and her impact, she focuses much more on the culture she helped to create on the US Nordic ski team, and the larger impact on youth skiing.

One of her trademarks is wearing glitter on her cheeks during her races. At the event, hundreds (if not thousands) of people were also wearing glitter. While perhaps a small symbol to some outside of this culture, it speaks to how the outcome of the race is not the only thing. Rather, it is the joy of participating in a community with others who share the passion you all have for this activity.

On her legacy, she said the following:

“I think the team is going to be just fine without me,” Diggins said. “And I feel like that’s how I know I did my job. There’s so much leadership coming from so many people, because this team is filled with individuals who have put their heart and their energy into the team and who spend time thinking about, How can I make this team better? Not just what can I get and how can the team help me, but how can I make sure that we succeed? And I think that is why we succeed.”

On the point of leadership, I welcome Dalmo Cirne to Experience by Design podcast. Dalmo wrote the book “The 4 Streams of Leadership: Transform Yourself into an Overachiever Manager.” In this book, he talks about how being in a position of leadership doesn’t prepare you for being a leader. People often are promoted into leadership positions because of their technical competence, but that doesn’t translate into effective leadership.

We talk about the overtaxing of middle management when placed into this position, and how it impacts those who are reporting to them. We discuss the concept of leadership and the importance of understanding and managing different streams in an organization, including downstream (team and projects), upstream (communication with upper management), and sidestream (interactions with peers in other departments).

Dalmo examines the nature of leadership, agreeing that while organizational hierarchy is necessary for making difficult decisions, true leadership is demonstrated through actions and behaviors rather than just position

Dalmo highlights the significance of understanding one's own motivations for seeking leadership roles, contrasting those who are naturally drawn to leadership with those who seek it for external recognition or financial gain.

Finally, we have some conversation about the properties of snow, including heavy and wet New England snow versus light and fluffy Colorado snow. And what better time to talk about snow and leadership than with the retirement of Jessie Diggins and the emergence of the next generation of Nordic leadership for US cross-country skiing!

Dalmo Cirne: https://dalmocirne.com/

Dalmo Cirne LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/dalmocirne/

“The 4 Streams of Leadership”: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1510785183

Well we did it, folks! Experience by Design podcast has hit 25,000 downloads. I don’t know what all that means in real terms other than a lot of you like to listen to this on a regular basis. First, that’s a testament to the great guests who spend their time talking with me about their lives and their work. Second, it is a testament to you for being interested in these stories and the field of experience design. Third, I guess it is a testament to me, even though I don’t feel comfortable giving myself credit.

So thank you for 25,000 downloads. And I promise more great guests for the next year.

We have had a run of great episodes on employee experience, and it is one of my favorite topics to explore in experience design. In discussions of workplaces, the framing typically is either around the workers (at the bottom of the org chart) or the leadership (at the top of the org chart). When people talk about organizational change, it is framed as either ‘top-down’ or ‘bottom-up’. These formulations leave something important out: the middle.

In many ways, middle management often goes unresourced, underappreciated, and stressed. But it also is where things need to get done, and ultimate strategic success can depend.

My guest today on Experience by Design is the author of the book “The Elevated Leader” who talks about ‘the messy middle’ in organizations. Laurie Maddalena is first notable characteristic is that sociology was her favorite class. Along with that topic, we explore the challenges of having five generations in the workplace right now, and what that means for management and leadership.

She talks about the Six Saboteurs in the workplace, which she lays out in her book and consulting. We explore how there are no “hard skills” or “soft skills”, but rather just essential skills. The key goal is to create environments where people can do and become their best.

Laurie provides practical leadership tools with training that gives actionable tips rather than vague statements. She stresses the need for career paths besides leadership. We explore the evolution of human resources into being a strategic partner that are shaping the culture of the workplace.

Finally, we talk about while conflict is natural and necessary for team growth, the key is managing it constructively rather than avoiding it. Laurie also offers a free assessment tool to help leaders identify and overcome their specific saboteurs.

Laurie Maddalena: https://www.lauriemaddalena.com/

Laurie Maddalena LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauriemaddalena/

“The Elevated Leader”: https://www.lauriemaddalena.com/elevated-leader-book

You probably know that there are a lot of podcasts out there to listen to. By one estimate, as of January 2026 there are 4.58 million podcasts. That’s a lot of people churning out content that runs the gamut of topics and guests. If you look at the podcast stats, you also will see that nearly one-third of podcasts are 20-40 minutes in length.

Which makes Experience by Design stand out in a somewhat unique way in terms of the length of my conversation with guests. Only about 15% of podcasts last an hour or more.

So why go for an hour when most podcasters go for a much shorter length? Stories.

Part of my goal here at ExD is to hear the stories that people have to offer, to learn about the people behind the products and offerings. I like to think about it like “Humans of Experience Design.” As an ethnographer, I like to hear people’s stories. I’ve also found that people like sharing their stories. In many ways, the manner in which we share stories is what makes us human, or more human.

My guest today knows all about telling stories. Bill Blankschaen is here to talk about his book “Your Story Advantage: A Proven Path to Maximize Your Impact, Influence, and Income.”

Bill’s background has roots in his study of English and History, both of which are rich in stories. He then found himself leading a private school. While rewarding, he felt a calling for something more, and that was to help people tell their stories. This led to his company StoryBuilders, “a creative team of storytellers who are passionate about serving people with excellence in genuine, high-trust relationships.” Bill and StoryBuilders provide coaching, assistance with writing, getting it ready for launch, and getting it in front of your audience. They have worked with a range of business leaders, political figures, cultural influencers, and many more, helping to tell their stories and get their message out. Bill also is a multiple New York Times and USA Today bestselling writer and business founder.

Bill and I talk about the path to finding purpose in life by engaging in your passion. We explore writing as a journey of exploration rather than just a final product. Bill relates about working with people who have a clear vision on what they want to do, as well as those who just have the desire to tell a story but not quite sure how. We also talk about the emergent area of hybrid publishing. While self-publishing has become more accessible, it’s still important to ensure quality and align publishing strategies with the author’s goals. He also emphasizes StoryBuilder’s approach to customize the publishing approach to each author’s needs.

Finally, Bill talks about the role that AI is starting to play in the writing and publishing process, and how it should compliment creativity rather than replace it.

StoryBuilders, LLC: https://mystorybuilders.com

Bill Blankschaen LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/billblankschaen/

“Your Story Advantage: A Proven Path to Maximize Your Impact, Influence, and Income”: https://www.amazon.com/Your-Story-Advantage-Maximize-Influence/dp/1954521901

Once again, we are living in a time of military conflict. It seems like it is something that is inescapable, which is enough to make one who wishes for better to lose hope that it is possible. It can start to feel pretty overwhelming given the amount of suffering that continues to go on without reprieve.

This once again introduces the central importance of dispute and conflict resolution in our lives. It also emphasizes the importance of those who have the skills to help us navigate conflicts and dispute in order to come to some kind of outcome that is fair and equitable.

In this episode of Experience by Design, I’m fortunate to have Colin Rule, CEO of ODR.com, with ODR standing for online dispute resolution. Colin is the author of the book “Online Dispute Resolution for Business.” He also was the Director of Online Dispute Resolution, meaning that he has seen more conflict than the most experienced global negotiator. Colin shared insights from his experience at eBay, where they managed 60 million disputes annually across 54 countries, emphasizing the need for a fast and fair resolution system to maintain trust in online marketplaces.

We talk about his early stage appearance as Tevye in “Fiddler on the Roof” in high school, and his involvement in the debate team. He describes how debate influenced his desire to form authentic and genuine belief in his arguments. Colin explains how his interest in peace studies developed through mediation training and his understanding of conflict resolution as a form of peacemaking.

Colin shares personal experiences where empathetic listening resolved a long-standing dispute, highlighting the value of authentic apologies and understanding. We also discuss the concept of fairness and justice, especially in an era of artificial intelligence. Colin suggests that AI has transformed the landscape of dispute resolution, and while this change is irreversible, it presents new challenges and opportunities for the field.

In a time of needing greater dispute resolution to end conflict, it is a great moment to hear from Colin’s work in creating dispute resolution experiences.

Colin Rule: https://www.colinrule.com/

Colin Rule LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/crule

“Online Dispute Resolution for Business”: https://www.amazon.com/Online-Dispute-Resolution-Business-Employment/dp/0787957313

The 2026 Winter Olympics are now over, and it was great to watch. As always, there are a lot of compelling stories that happened. There are stories of triumph and disappointment, as it goes with sports. It is hard to imagine putting so many years of your life into something to have it all turn on minutes or seconds.

There were a lot of athletes that were projected to win gold, including Jessie Diggins who is the greatest US cross-country skier ever. However, no US woman or man has ever won a cross-country skiing gold, so there were a lot of hopes that this would be the year. But that didn’t come to pass. The men were able to secure two silver medals, and Jessie Diggins won a bronze. To add to this, Jessie Diggins is retiring at the end of this season, marking the end of a remarkable career.

So was it a disappointment? Depends on how you measure it. By one metric of success, she failed to achieve the top goal of winning a race and taking home the gold. But other measures, according to Jessie, she did all she could, left it all out there, and represented herself, her friends and family, and her country well. The same could be said for a lot of athletes who ‘failed’ to live up to expectations, but nonetheless did what they could to succeed.

In a culture where second place might be referred to as “first loser,” coming back with less than complete victory is a high standard. And maybe it is time for that standard to change, and the culture around metrics to shift.

To talk about the impact of measuring what matters, and more broadly the need for changes in organizational culture and employee experience, I welcome Dr. James Killian to Experience by Design podcast. This is the second Industrial/Organizational Psychologist in two weeks, so that might be a record for any podcast.

James has a new book coming out titled “Obsessed: Cultivating the Customer-Driven Leader.” The book describes how to develop customer-focused leadership habits, establish employee-centric cultures, create linkages between employee and customer experience, and establish metrics that really matter to your strategy.

James explains his entry into the field after discovering it during an introductory psychology class at Texas A&M, describing his interest in combining business and psychology. We also talk about his experiences in industry as well as working in the Michigan State University Customer Experience Management Masters program. Finally, there is the familiar theme about needing to create better connections between industry and academia.

Dr. James Killian: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-killian-ph-d-859182/

“Obsessed:Cultivating the Customer-Driven Leader”: https://the-customer-driven-leader.com/

Pre-order now!: https://books.manuscripts.com/product/obsessed/

Although I often describe myself as a sociologist, my academic foundation began with psychology—I completed a dual major in psychology and sociology. One of the courses that most shaped my early thinking was Industrial/Organizational Psychology. At the time, I struggled with what felt like a top‑down, management‑centric approach. I even recall asking the professor whether the field existed mainly to validate decisions leaders already wanted to make. If he’s listening now, I offer a sincere apology for my younger, overly blunt critique.

My career ultimately led me to workplace ethnography through a sociological lens, focusing on organizational structures, systems, cultures, and group dynamics—including critical themes like diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging. In essence, I study how to build stronger workplace communities across in‑person, remote, and hybrid environments. Work remains one of the most powerful forces shaping identity, social perception, and life opportunities. One of the first questions we ask one another is still: “What do you do for a living?” Work undeniably defines us—and the systems around it matter.

That’s why I was particularly excited to welcome today’s guest: Dr. Benjamin Granger, Chief Workplace Psychologist at Qualtrics. It’s a title that signals both responsibility and influence. In this role, Dr. Granger helps organizations worldwide elevate employee experience and adopt leadership practices that create more human‑centered, high‑performing cultures. His new book, A Leader Worth Following, distills these insights into actionable strategies for leaders seeking to build trust, connection, and long‑term organizational health.

In our conversation, we explore Dr. Granger’s journey into I/O Psychology and how his desire for real‑world impact led him toward applied professional practice rather than a purely academic path. We examine the rising imperative for human‑centered leadership—especially in an era defined by uncertainty, rapid change, and heightened expectations around wellbeing and psychological safety.

Dr. Granger also draws on evolutionary psychology to explain why certain leadership traits resonate more strongly today, and how leaders can better align their behaviors with how people naturally build trust, assess credibility, and form meaningful connections. Ultimately, he encourages leaders to take ownership of the experiences they create, understand the perceptions they shape, challenge outdated leadership norms, and cultivate environments where people feel connected, supported, and empowered to thrive.

Along the way, we bridge longstanding gaps between psychological and sociological approaches to understanding work—revealing how the integration of both disciplines offers a more holistic perspective on leadership, culture, and employee experience.

Dr. Benjamin Granger: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benjamin-granger-7147991b/

“A Leader Worth Following: https://benjamingranger.com/

If you’re a sports fan, a winter fan, or an Olympics fan, this is a great time of year. I’ve been watching the Olympics—especially the Nordic skiing events, since cross‑country skiing is one of the activities I really enjoy. The United States has had some impressive results, including Ben Ogden winning a silver medal, Jessie Diggins earning a bronze, and several other standout performances. It’s inspiring to see everything come together for athletes who have spent years working toward their goals.

But talk about pressure. So much comes down to one day, one event, one performance. That’s a tremendous amount of stress. It’s not just a physical challenge but a mental one as well, especially for those favored to win or in contention for a medal. I just watched Jessie Diggins earn her medal while skiing with bruised ribs and collapsing at the finish—as she often does. Commentators described her ability to “tune out” distractions, “channel” pain, and “focus” on exactly what she needs to do. All of this highlights the mental side of performance.

Today on Experience by Design, we welcome a guest who specializes in that mental side—specifically, the electrical impulses and brain states we experience during different types of activities. In his new book, Life Explained: Chasing 10 Hertz, Dr. Izzy Justice explores neurohacks that reduce brain frequency, enhance sensory input, and create more mindful experiences. Izzy discusses his research on brainwave frequencies, especially the “magic” 10 Hz state in which sensory input is amplified and cognitive function peaks.

Dr. Justice explains how trauma and panic can impact athletes during competition, particularly in sports where unexpected challenges can arise. But these principles extend far beyond athletics—we also explore how they apply to creativity in business, focus in education, learning, and everyday tasks.

We also talk about the importance of translating academic findings for public audiences. Izzy emphasizes the need for actionable language and accessible frameworks for managing brain states, and why greater education is essential for helping us regulate our own brain activity, reduce the noise around us, and reach that 10 Hz state to create more mindful experiences.

One of the challenges of getting older—especially for men—is meeting people and forming new friendships. Social connection is a fundamental human need, yet the demands of work, responsibilities, and constant distractions make it difficult to create the time and space for meaningful relationships. A recent Pew study found that men and women report loneliness at similar rates. However, women are more likely to lean on their social networks for support, while men often struggle in silence.

A Gallup poll further reveals that young men in the U.S. are lonelier than their counterparts in other parts of the world. According to the report, “U.S. men stand out, not only in terms of absolute rates of loneliness but also in how much more likely they are to feel lonely compared with younger women and others in their own country. This is a rare pattern across wealthy countries, none of which exhibit a starker divide between young men and the rest of the nation’s residents.”

There is a clear need for men—and for people more broadly—to have opportunities to gather, meet, and genuinely connect.

Enter WeRoad, a travel experience company designed to bring people together through shared journeys. Fabio Bin, Co-founder and Chief Marketing Officer of WeRoad, helped create the company with the loneliness epidemic in mind. He joins me on Experience by Design to discuss WeRoad’s origins and its mission to foster human connection, not just tourism. While the trip is the product, the true experience comes from the people who share it with you.

From the thoughtful screening and training of travel coordinators, to pre-trip events that help groups bond, to post-trip virtual communities, every aspect of WeRoad is designed around building relationships and cultivating a sense of belonging.

We talk about WeRoad’s growth across Europe and its efforts to expand into the United States—something that survey data suggests is sorely needed. We explore how WeRoad helps people break out of their social bubbles and form new communities through shared adventures. Fabio also describes how travelers are building an identity as “WeRoaders”—some even getting WeRoad tattoos—and shares the company’s new initiative, WeRoadX, which empowers travel leaders to design their own trips based on their passions through a participatory design approach.

Fabio Bin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/fabiobin
WeRoad: https://www.weroad.com/