Abbey and Liam are joined by evolutionary biologist Dr. Rob Brooks to explore the rise of AI companions, sex robots, and whether love with machines can ever be “real.” They discuss jealousy over chatbots, the naturalist fallacy, and the deep question of whether humans are naturally monogamous or non-monogamous.

Drawing from Rob’s book Artificial Intimacy, the conversation dives into the future of intimacy, the regulation of AI, and what it means for relationships when machines can replicate (and even challenge) human connection.

Rob Brooks Links

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Friday 10th October, NFSA, Canberra

In this episode of Evolving Love 2.0, Abbey and Liam explore where they sit on the spectrum between swinging and polyamory. From loud neighbours and exhibitionist fantasies to navigating crushes, labels, and compersion, they dive into the playful, messy, and honest realities of non-monogamy after more than a decade together.

They also share why “relationship by design” is central to their lives, and how fantasy and reality often intersect in surprising ways.

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Friday 10th October, NFSA, Canberra

In today’s episode we bounce from pickleball courts to cold plunges, breathwork breakthroughs, and even DIY sex swings. We discuss our experiences with therapy, and Liam’s recent experience in a men’s breathwork circle.

🧵 Topics Covered

🎾 Pickleball Obsession: Why Liam has pivoted from bouldering to pickleball, and how it's becoming the new social sport for connection (and maybe even pickup).

🧊 Cold Plunge Confessions: Their first experience with a 3°C plunge at a retreat.

🌬️ Breathwork Journeys: Liam’s powerful experience in a men’s breathwork circle and how it compares to traditional talk therapy.

🧠 Therapy, Flow & Healing: From EFT tapping to crafting gnomes, the many ways we process emotion and find peace.

🧵 Crafting as Inner Child Work: Abbey’s deep dive into fairy swings, and the joy of imperfection.

🛠️ DIY Erotica: Reddit’s BDSM DIY, ceramic dildos, and the dream of a podcast room sex swing.

🔥 Saunas, Sex & Sensory Play: Why temperature matters in intimacy and the allure of hardpoints in the home.

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Sydney | Monday, 18th August 2025

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Canberra | Sunday, 31st August 2025

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