In part 2 of our interview with Debbie Fisher, we continue learning from her journey, experiences, and perspective as a counselor. Join along with us as we explore more of the story behind the work.

In this first part of our conversation with Debbie Fisher, we take time to explore her journey into the world of counseling. Join us as she shares what drew her to this work and how her own story has shaped her calling to walk alongside others.

In this special full-length episode, we bring together all four parts of our powerful series on shame and guilt from a Christian perspective, led by Dr. Dan Green.

Through rich theological insight and deep psychological wisdom, Dr. Green unpacks the difference between shame and guilt, their spiritual and relational impact, and how the message of the Gospel offers a path to healing, wholeness, and hope.

This episode covers:

• The root differences between guilt and shame

• How these emotions shape identity and relationships

• How Christ meets us in our brokenness

• Practical and spiritual steps toward restoration

Whether you're listening for the first time or revisiting the series, this combined episode is a meaningful journey toward freedom, grace, and connection.

Listen to the complete series now—one uninterrupted message of hope and healing.