In this second and concluding episode on Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life, Pastor Mark Parsons is joined again by Molly, Noah, Caleb, Aaron, and Ethan to wrestle with the heart of the Christian life: what it really means to live as someone who is fully forgiven and still deeply flawed.

This episode centers on the often-forgotten doctrine of imputation—the “great exchange” where Christ takes our sin and credits us with His righteousness—and why this truth is essential for assurance, comfort, and faithful witnessing to Latter-day Saints. From there, the conversation expands into sanctification, common myths about Christian growth, and what real transformation actually looks like in the life of a believer.

Key themes include:

• Why imputation is a status, not a process—and how God truly sees us in Christ.
• How the gospel answers objections like “cheap grace” and the fear of “couch-potato Christianity.”
• Why sanctification is God’s work, not a measurable self-improvement project.
• The difference between growing up spiritually and growing down—deeper into reliance on Jesus.
• How compassion, not judgment, should define the church’s response to sin.
• Why wrestling with God, ongoing struggle, and even pain can be signs of spiritual life—not failure.

The episode closes with the comforting reminder that while Christians may be great sinners, we have an even greater Savior—and that Jesus truly is the Friend of sinners.

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In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, Pastor Mark Parsons is joined by Molly, Caleb, Aaron, Noah, and Ethan to discuss Sinner Saint: A Surprising Primer for the Christian Life by Pastor Luke Kjolhaug (or as the interns say—however you pronounce it!). Together, they unpack one of the most honest and freeing truths of the Christian faith: that believers are simultaneously sinners and saints (simul justus et peccator).

Through personal stories, Scripture, and laughter, the group explores:

• Why recognizing our sin and our sainthood at the same time is crucial for understanding grace.
• How Paul’s struggle in Romans 7 captures every Christian’s daily reality.
• Why “progress” in faith isn’t about becoming sinless, but about trusting Christ more deeply.
• The difference between how Latter-day Saints and biblical Christians understand the word saint—and why that difference matters.
• What the lives of Moses, Abraham, David, and Paul teach us about God using deeply flawed people for His glory.
• How a proper view of Law and Gospel helps us rest in what Christ has done, not what we’re trying to prove.

This episode reminds us that being a Christian isn’t about looking perfect—it’s about being honest about our brokenness and clinging to the One who calls us righteous.

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In this episode of the Witnessing Christ Podcast, Pastor Mark Parsons reunites with Molly, Caleb, Noah, Ethan, and Aaron to dive into the Gospel half of Law & Gospel—moving from God’s “alien work” (law) to his “proper work” (good news about a Person). Together they explore how the gospel is not advice or a checklist, but news—objective, finished, and for you.

They unpack:

• Gospel as News (not advice): The message comes from outside us and announces what Christ has already done.
• Gospel as Person: Jesus isn’t mainly an example; he’s the Substitute who fulfilled the law, bled, died, and rose.
• Gospel as Gift: Why unconditional grace offends our need for control—and why that’s exactly what sets us free.
• What the Gospel Gives: Forgiveness that’s paid for, justification that’s declared, and comfort that’s objective (not based on feelings).
• Fruits of the Gospel (not the law): Humility, receptivity, gratitude, love, spontaneity, humor, and real freedom—produced by the Spirit, not by white-knuckled effort.
• Witnessing to Latter-day Saints: Clear contrasts between “laws of the gospel” and the Bible’s announcement that “It is finished.”

Come for the theology; stay for the freedom that lets you stop performing and start resting in Christ—and then love your neighbor with joy.

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