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What is Normal?

What is Normal?

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This week on Things We Don’t Talk About, Michelle and Sarah dive into the unsettling concept of hyper-normalization —how we keep going about our daily lives, doing things like dishes and going to work, even as the world is falling apart. With the government unraveling and the future of the U.S. in a state of uncertainty, Michelle and Sarah explore what it means to continue these “normal” routines when so much seems anything but normal. They also discuss how embracing joy can be a powerful form of bodily autonomy, and why it might be one of our most important acts of resistance right now. From a historical perspective, they unpack the parallels between today’s chaos and the past, and ask: how can we prepare for what’s coming next?


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