* not for listening on Apple

In this episode Jon and I are back with a new setup, strong coffee, and absolutely no shortage of opinions. We talk Music City Trail Ultra, questionable aid station pickle etiquette, a brand we’re genuinely obsessed with, and some of the wildest recent chaos in the running world—from wrong turns and race drama to medals, integrity, and the real risks people love to ignore.

It’s a little ridiculous, and somehow includes pubic hair and pickle jars.

In this episode Jon and I are back with a new setup, strong coffee, and absolutely no shortage of opinions. We talk Music City Trail Ultra, questionable aid station pickle etiquette, a brand we’re genuinely obsessed with, and some of the wildest recent chaos in the running world—from wrong turns and race drama to medals, integrity, and the real risks people love to ignore.

It’s a little ridiculous, and somehow includes pubic hair and pickle jars.

This week: we officially got moved. Not “we’re almost there.” Not “we’re transitioning.” Fully moved. Living at the farm. Yes, the one affectionately (or concerningly) nicknamed Murder Mile. Which sounds like a true crime podcast but is actually just… our address now.

We’re talking about what it feels like when a place stops being an idea and becomes your real, everyday life. The mental shift. The quiet shift. The “oh, this is permanent” shift.

We get into the two-hour raw milk drive — because apparently this is who we are now. People who will commit two hours round trip for dairy. Is it about the milk? Is it about the ritual? Is it about needing a reason to leave the property and remember civilization exists? We unpack it.

There’s running. There’s long stretches of thinking. There’s that strange recalibration that happens when life slows down but your brain doesn’t immediately get the memo. What feels different. What feels the same. What feels slightly unhinged but in a growth-oriented way.

It’s about choosing a life on purpose. Even when it’s inconvenient. Even when it’s far. Even when your GPS looks concerned.

Press play if you’ve ever committed to something big and then had to sit with the reality of it.