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The Sacred

The Sacred

By: Theos
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The Sacred is a podcast about our deepest values, the stories that shape us and how we can build empathy and understanding between people who are very different. Each episode features a conversation with someone who has a public voice, from academics to journalists, playwrights and politicians. We ask them where they have come from, what they are trying to do and what might help heal our very divided public conversations. The Sacred is hosted by Elizabeth Oldfield, former director of Theos. For more information about the people and ideas behind the podcast, visit https://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/about/who-we-are or follow us on Twitter @theosthinktank, @sacred_podcast and @ESOldfield.Theos Relationships Social Sciences
Episodes
  • Ask Us a Question👇
    Aug 21 2025

    We’re putting together a Q+A episode and would love to hear what’s on your mind right now.

    If you're new here, we're all about deep conversations, exploring spirituality and our values, relational dilemmas and how to live together well, and of course talking about how to be when the world is in crisis.

    We welcome both big and small questions for Elizabeth and the podcast team!

    How to send👇 💌

    - Drop them in the comments for this episode

    - DM us a message / voice note / video on X, TikTok or Instagram

    - Email us at thesacredpodcast@gmail.com


    Speak soon,

    Elizabeth & The Sacred Team

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    3 mins
  • Why Connection Matters Most in Crisis
    Aug 6 2025

    In this reflection episode, Elizabeth steps back from interviews to ask: what’s really staying with me from these conversations?

    We explore themes of gender, division, fear, and the deep longing for connection in a time when everything can feel like it’s falling apart - politically, socially and spiritually.


    We talk about:

    • Why gender is so hard to talk about without blame

    • The “polycrisis” and our collective fight-or-flight

    • How contempt sneaks in and empathy fades

    • Whether old spiritual traditions still have anything to offer

    • And what it takes to stay human (and stay open) in a polarised world


    🎙️ Follow The Sacred: linktr.ee/sacredpodcast

    📖 Follow Elizabeth Oldfield: www.elizabetholdfield.com/

    💡 Produced by the ‪@thinktanktheos‬ www.theosthinktank.co.uk/

    🌿 Take a break with us in August. Take time to be with your people and "unplug" yourself from the online world. We'll see you in September.

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    18 mins
  • From Republican Darling to Political Outcast with David French
    Jul 30 2025

    What happens when standing by your principles means losing your community?

    David French was once a Republican darling - a military veteran in Iraq, a pro-life lawyer, and a defender of religious liberty. But when he publicly opposed Donald Trump in 2016, everything changed. His church turned on him, his family received threats, and he became controversial figure in political and religious debates.

    In this conversation, David reflects on the cost of choosing virtue over political loyalty, why free speech still matters even when it's painful, and what it’s like to be exiled by your tribe.

    We talk about moral courage, the state of American evangelicalism, and what it means to stay principled in a world that rewards tribalism.


    🎙️ Follow The Sacred: linktr.ee/sacredpodcast

    📖 Follow Elizabeth Oldfield: www.elizabetholdfield.com/

    💡 Produced by the ‪@thinktanktheos‬ www.theosthinktank.co.uk/

    ✍️ Follow David French: https://x.com/davidafrench?lang=en


    Chapters

    00:00 Intro

    01:07 What is Sacred to you? David French answers

    01:29 Defining Virtue in American Society

    06:26 When Have Your Virtues Been Tested?

    14:42 Formative Experiences and Moral Foundations

    18:40 Political Awakening and Conservative Values

    27:27 The Role of Civil Liberties in Society

    30:47 The Importance of Defending Difficult Speech

    33:31 The Importance of Free Speech

    36:39 Serving in the Iraq war

    39:52 Transformative Experiences of War

    44:10 Political Identity and Church Community Rejection

    50:49 The Impact of Community Rejection

    54:52 Staying True to Principles Over Tribes


    Keywords:

    David French - veteran, constitutional lawyer, political commentator, and lifelong conservative - joins The Sacred to talk about the cost of staying true to his values. In this episode, he shares how refusing to support Donald Trump led to being “cancelled” by his church, receiving threats, and becoming a controversial figure in conservative Christian circles. We explore free speech, religious freedom, evangelical politics, cancel culture, moral courage, integrity, and the crisis of virtue in public life. David speaks about his military service in Iraq, his time defending civil liberties, and why he believes principles should come before political parties. This conversation is for anyone wrestling with faith and politics, Christian identity, the culture wars, the evangelical church, or what it means to live with integrity in polarised times. Topics include: Christian conservatism, Never Trump, leaving church, freedom of speech, spiritual exile, republican, political pressure, and how to remain faithful under fire.

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    1 hr and 9 mins
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