Joe Klecker, OAC professional and Olympian, returns to the show to recap his 2:05 performance at the 2026 Boston Marathon. In a year where world records are falling and the depth of American marathon running is reaching new heights, Joe breaks down how he navigated a historic day in what was only his first race in Boston, and second-ever marathon overall.Joe's race was a great reflection of the grit and adaptability it takes to run the marathon. He dives into what the splits don't show, including how he threw out his original fueling plan at mile 9 due to a nagging side stitch, and even debated dropping out and pivoting to enter the London marathon the following week. We also discuss the details of his training build, where he explains the philosophy on maintaining track-focused, VO2 sessions as a marathoner and the impact of training alongside teammates as OAC grows its elite presence on the roads.Lastly, we talk about the "why" behind the current marathon revelation, both in American distance running and internationally, as performances that once seemed unfathomable are now happening more frequently. Joe explains the compounding effects of super-shoe technology and the fueling evolution that is allowing athletes not only to race faster, but to train harder and recover better than ever before.In This Episode:00:45 Boston Marathon Mindset & Strategy13:10 Inside The Race - When Things Don't Go To Plan21:11 Final Result Reflection24:41 The Training Build32:01 Shoes & Training Essentials37:28 What To Improve43:38 Why Times Are Dropping52:47 Building The OAC Marathon Team58:00 Track Vs Marathon LessonsIf you enjoyed this conversation, like the video and subscribe for more! Feel free to leave a comment with what stood out to you most.About Hammer & Axe TrainingHammer & Axe Training is a coaching and education platform built by athletes, for athletes. Our coaches work with runners of all levels, providing genuine relationships, proven training methods, and education that helps athletes train with purpose and consistency.1:1 Coaching | Take our quiz to find your coach: https://haxtraining.com/take-the-coaches-quizTraining Plan Library: https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/hammer-axe/Follow For Daily Training Content: https://www.instagram.com/hammerandaxetraining/ Read Our Newsletter: https://thehammer.beehiiv.com________________________________________________________The HAX Show is grateful to partner with Lever MovementRecover faster, run injury-free, and improve performance.Follow: @levermovementTo support the pod and LEVER, use code HAX20 for 20% off, or follow this link: https://levermovement.com/discount/HAX20

Austin Dalquist joins the show for a conversation on his career progression across the top levels of the sport, personal struggles throughout his career, and finding greater purpose in both running and life through faith. He dives into his recent indoor season, his unique path from a non-running family to becoming an elite high school recruit to competing for the University of Arkansas, and openly discusses his struggles with Relative Energy Deficiency in Sport (RED-s) and disordered eating, offering valuable insights on fueling and recovery for athletes.He dives into his early days of running with the culture and mindset of his HS program, how he became one of the top middle distance recruits in the country, and why he chose Arkansas after initially committing to Ole Miss. He openly discusses his experience in college with RED-S and disordered eating, which eventually led to a broken sacrum, and the important nutritional changes that helped his recovery. He also shares how faith shapes his approach to an ego- and performance-driven sport and reflects on coaching high school runners, emphasizing positivity and long-term development over the specifics of training.In This Episode:00:30 Indoor Season Recap and Future Racing Plans06:06 High School Breakthrough10:52 HS Training And Mindset18:46 Choosing Arkansas22:47 RED-S And Eating Struggles29:31 Recovery And Nutrition Tips37:37 Faith In Competition49:40 Why Coach High School54:52 Culture Over WorkoutsIf you found value in this conversation, like the video and subscribe for more! Feel free to leave a comment with what stood out to you most.________________________About Hammer & Axe TrainingHammer & Axe Training is a coaching and education platform built by athletes, for athletes. Our coaches work with runners of all levels, providing genuine relationships, proven training methods, and education that helps athletes train with purpose and consistency.1:1 Coaching | Get A Free Personalized Recommendation: https://haxtraining.com/coaching-matchTraining Plan Library: https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/hammer-axe/Follow For Daily Training Content: https://www.instagram.com/hammerandaxetraining/Read Our Newsletter: https://thehammer.beehiiv.com_________________________The HAX Show is grateful to partner with Lever MovementRecover faster, run injury-free, and improve performanceFollow: @levermovementTo support the pod and LEVER, use code HAX20 for 20% off, or follow this link: https://levermovement.com/discount/HAX20

Ben Fleming’s career began as a walk-on at Virginia Tech in his hometown of Blacksburg and has led him to the high-altitude proving grounds of Boulder. In this episode, Ben traces the unconventional path from NCAA standout to elite triathlete and, ultimately, back to the track with the HAX.Ben gives us an inside look at the specialized training systems from the great coaches he's worked with, including Ben Thomas, Chris Miltenberg, and Joan Hunter, highlighting the nuances of each system and how they shaped his development.Beyond that, Ben breaks down what it actually takes to stay in the game post-collegiately when the "pro contract" isn't the primary driver.In This Episode:01:44 Blacksburg High Running Culture03:22 Choosing Virginia Tech05:54 Ben Thomas Training System16:28 Injuries and Surgery25:11 UNC vs Virginia Tech Training30:26 Starting Triathlon Training43:45 Returning to Running Full-Time49:28 Outdoor Goals and SteepleBen translates his experience across multiple high-level training systems and background in elite triathlon into a coaching philosophy centered on durability. He specializes in helping athletes stay in the game long enough to see their true potential.Get Coached By Ben: https://haxtraining.com/coached-by-ben_____________________________________________About Hammer & Axe TrainingHammer & Axe Training is a coaching and education platform built by athletes, for athletes. Our coaches work with runners of all levels, providing genuine relationships, proven training methods, and education that helps athletes train with purpose and consistency.1:1 Coaching | Find Your Coach: https://haxtraining.com/coaching-matchTraining Plan Library: https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/hammer-axe/Follow For Daily Training Content: https://www.instagram.com/hammerandaxetraining/Read Our Newsletter: https://thehammer.beehiiv.com______________________________________________The HAX Show is grateful to partner with Lever MovementRecover faster, run injury-free, and improve performanceFollow: @levermovementTo support the pod and LEVER, use code HAX20 for 20% off, or follow this link: https://levermovement.com/discount/HAX20

Drew sits down with longtime friend and teammate Sam Parsons to catch up on a period of significant transition in his life. Sam dives into his “bonus year” contract with Tracksmith in 2025, his shift away from the traditional pro running system, and his move into full-time work with the startup tech company Faves.

Soon to move to Los Angeles with his fiancée, Sam reflects candidly on closing the chapter of going all-in on his pro track career. While he describes that as "the best job I'll ever have", he shares how he's rediscovered purpose in the sport through his work at Faves - helping athletes navigate the evolving landscape of marketing and sponsorship.

Lastly, Sam describes what it's been like adapting to training independently and pursuing new types of running goals away from the track.Tune in for an insightful perspective from Sam on what he's excited for - and nervous for - as he steps into a completely new phase of life and community.

In This Episode:

02:37 Running And Mental Health

04:25 New Goals - Half Marathon

**note: Since recording this episode, Sam has decided to not compete in this half marathon anymore. However, he's excited for other exciting race opportunities ahead!

10:28 Training Solo

15:55 Tracksmith Deal Backstory

24:18 Athletes And Brand Value

32:51 Building A YouTube Channel

43:38 Faves Origin Story and Role

50:15 Modern Athlete Marketing

55:59 Leaving Boulder for LA

58:56 Running Future Redefined

01:04:38 Advice for Boulder Dreamers

01:07:31 Retirement Question and Wrap-Up

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About Hammer & Axe TrainingHammer & Axe Training is a coaching and education platform built by athletes, for athletes. Our coaches work with runners of all levels, providing genuine relationships, proven training methods, and education that helps athletes train with purpose and consistency.1:1 Coaching | Find Your Coach: https://haxtraining.com/coaching-matchTraining Plan Library: https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/hammer-axe/Follow For Daily Training Content: https://www.instagram.com/hammerandaxetraining/Read Our Newsletter: https://thehammer.beehiiv.com

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The HAX Show is grateful to partner with Lever MovementRecover faster, run injury-free, and improve performanceFollow: @levermovementTo support the pod and LEVER, use code HAX20 for 20% off, or follow this link: https://levermovement.com/discount/HAX20

3x US champion and professional Salomon athlete Annie Rodenfels explains the chaotic finish at the US Half Marathon Championships in Atlanta. What was supposed to be an exciting debut race quickly took a turn (literally) when the lead vehicle misdirected the top four women, causing them to run almost an extra half mile and costing them their finishing positions. Protests and an appeal were denied under rules stating runners are responsible for knowing the course, and Annie was unexpectedly told she finished third. Currently, she remains unclear of the final team selection for the World Road Racing Championships in Copenhagen, which this championship served as a selection race for.Annie also shares her unconventional path from starting track junior year of high school and running D3 at Centre College to training with various pro groups and landing her first professional contract with Salomon. She discusses what that signing process was like, her decision to move to Boulder and join the newly formed, athlete-led Team Meridia, and her future focus across track, roads, and possibly the marathon for LA 2028.In This Episode:00:45 USA Half Champs Chaos06:54 World Team?11:34 Why The Car Turned16:00 Lever Movement: Use Case For Mid-Distance Athletes17:05 Half Marathon Training19:32 Getting Started In Running21:52 Going D3 At Centre College28:17 Going Pro From D330:57 Leaving Greenville For BAA35:06 Self Coaching Era36:46 Signing With Salomon40:29 Choosing Boulder42:10 Team Meridia45:14 Athlete Autonomy vs Old Team Structure51:05 Future Goals: Track, Roads, And Marathon Plans_____________________________________________________________About Hammer & Axe TrainingHammer & Axe Training is a coaching and education platform built by athletes, for athletes. Our coaches work with runners of all levels, providing genuine relationships, proven training methods, and education that helps athletes train with purpose and consistency.1:1 Coaching | Get A Free Personalized Recommendation: https://haxtraining.com/coaching-matchTraining Plan Library: https://www.trainingpeaks.com/partners/hammer-axe/Follow For Daily Training Content: https://www.instagram.com/hammerandaxetraining/Read Our Newsletter: https://thehammer.beehiiv.com_____________________________________________________________The HAX Show is grateful to partner with Lever MovementRecover faster, run injury-free, and improve performanceFollow: @levermovementTo support the pod and LEVER, use code HAX20 for 20% off, or follow this link: https://levermovement.com/discount/HAX20

In this episode of The HAX Show, we dive into the highs and lows of professional racing, major updates for Hammer & Axe, and a sit-down with our newest coach and Mexican National Champion, Ryan Adams.

Drew reflects on his 8:10 two-mile PR at the Millrose Games and shares firsthand insight into his racing mindset and strategy. While a 19-second personal best was something to celebrate, the elevated caliber of professional running and tactical reality of the race shared a different story. In an honest conversation, Drew explains why he walked away feeling "optimistically disappointed" and what he wants to continue to improve upon in his racing.

We also announce our first-ever show sponsor, Lever Running. Drew shares his personal journey using the Lever system to return from a plantar injury and how body-weight-supported treadmill running can speed up your return to full training.In the second half (13:22), we welcome on Ryan Adams. Ryan just moved to the Boulder last fall, and in this conversation, he opens up about:

- His successful collegiate career at Furman University

- Difficult transition to the pro ranks

- Training under different systems, in different environments, and finding what works best over time

- Decision to switch affiliations from the USA to now representing Mexico

- Why he chose to give himself one last shot to pursue his dreams on the track

- His coaching philosophy and why he's excited to bridge the gap between Spanish-speaking athletes and quality coaching resources

Ryan's story is one of resilience and learning to persevere through the challenges of sport and life. We hope you enjoy this conversation; if you do, please leave us a review!

Welcome back to The HAX Show! We wish we could've gotten more episodes out at the end of 2025, but as it happens, life got busy! We're excited to return to the studio in the new year with an exciting announcement and plenty of awesome guests lined up.
In this episode, Drew opens with a solo segment covering major updates for the year ahead, including Hammer & Axe’s new partnership, as well as personal life updates, race plans, and performance goals for the season.In the second half, Drew's friend Lawrence joins us for a wide-ranging conversation centered on the upcoming launch of his Revamp Your Running Course. They break down Lawrence's decision to create this course, what it covers, who it’s designed for (and who it’s not), and the real challenges that come with launching an educational product in today's saturated fitness space.Drew and Lawrence dive into the evolving role of AI in training and coaching, the realities of influencing and modern marketing, the importance of mentorship, and what it actually takes to build trust and community in endurance sports. Lawrence also shares what he’s most excited to work on next, how he’s preparing for the London Marathon, and why walking and rucking may be underrated tools in marathon training.

Topics include:

- Hammer & Axe New partnership announcement

- Life updates, race schedule, and goals for the year

- Inside Lawrence's Revamp Your Running Course

- AI’s role in coaching and training- Influencing, marketing, and mentorship

- Building trust and long-term community

- London Marathon preparation

- The role of walking and rucking in marathon training

We hope you enjoy this quick update and discussion. Be on the lookout for new guests and conversations very soon

!If you're interested in Lawrence's Revamp Your Running Workshop, where you'll learn to rebuild your running mechanics from the ground up, register here before the start date on January 27: https://www.lawrencevanlingen.com/run-workshop-1

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