What if your biggest expense isn't your mortgage, but your income tax? In this episode, John Jantsch sits down with Jack Ojo, founder of Ojo Wealth Strategies and author of Two Smart to Be an Umpire, to break down how small business owners can legally reduce taxes and build real wealth. They cover how to reduce taxes as a small business owner, when to choose S corp vs LLC for tax savings, defined benefit pension plans for high income earners, Roth conversion strategies, and why maxing out your 401k still matters. If you're an entrepreneur looking for smarter tax planning strategies that protect against worst-case scenarios while accelerating long-term wealth, this episode delivers practical, actionable advice.

Today we discussed:

00:00 From Umpire to Wealth Advisor

03:07 Reinventing After a Career Setback

06:52 Biggest Tax Myths Business Owners Believe

10:30 What to Do After a Banner Revenue Year

12:57 Salary vs Distributions Explained

14:35 Multi-State Employees and Tax Strategy

16:36 Why 401k Plans Still Win

18:31 Paying Your Kids Through Your Business

21:07 How to Connect with Jack

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AI is moving fast but most organizations were never built for this kind of speed. John sits down with Stephen Wunker to explain why simply adding AI tools is not enough. They explore how to redesign business processes, identify golden workflows, and build an AI infused organization with strong governance and data foundations. You will learn how distributed intelligence, experimentation, and leadership alignment can unlock real productivity gains and smarter decisions across your company.

Today we discussed:

00:00 The Octopus AI Model

04:20 AI Risks and Data Guardrails

08:16 Golden Workflows

13:22 The Three Hearts of AI

15:31 Super Intelligent Firms

17:04 AI Marketing Agility

19:02 Rethinking Work With AI

21:04 Where to Learn More and Connect

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Businesses don't win by selling more features or even better experiences anymore. In this episode, Joe Pine explains why the real value today comes from selling outcomes and guiding customers toward meaningful transformation. We unpack the transformation economy, how it differs from the experience economy, and why charging for outcomes changes pricing, guarantees, and business models. You will learn how both B2B and B2C companies can productize transformation, align messaging with real results, and help customers become who they want to be.

Today we discussed:

00:00 Why Transformation Matters Now

11:43 Productizing Transformation

14:00 Pricing and Outcome-Based Models

16:48 Messaging Around Who Customers Become

20:16 How to Start a Transformation Strategy

24:28 Connect With Joe

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