Professor Avi Loeb returns to That UFO Podcast following his appointment to lead the Science Advisory Council supporting the new U.S. government UAP governance structure.

In this conversation, Avi explains how the council came together, who is involved, how it will interact with government agencies, and whether meaningful progress can be made using only unclassified information.

We discuss the latest UAP file releases, the role of skepticism within the council, why Michael Shermer was included, whistleblower protections, transparency, and whether the public can expect regular updates from the group's work.

We also explore Avi's views on crash retrieval claims, biologics, the possibility of non-human technology, and the debate surrounding Dr. Beatriz Villarroel's pre-Sputnik transient research.

Topics include:

• The new U.S. UAP governance structure
• Avi's role leading the Science Advisory Council
• Access to classified vs unclassified data
• Recent UAP document releases
• Crash retrieval and biologics claims
• Whistleblower protections
• Michael Shermer's inclusion on the council
• Beatriz Villarroel's transient research
• The search for conclusive evidence

Got thoughts on the new council or a question for a future Avi Loeb appearance? Let me know in the comments.

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In Part 2 of my extended conversation with Richard Dolan, we move beyond disclosure politics and into some of the deepest questions surrounding the UFO phenomenon.

We discuss whether some aspects of the phenomenon may be darker than many researchers are willing to admit, why Richard believes humanity may be facing challenges of its own making, and what decades of UFO and USO reports suggest about the behaviour of the intelligence behind these encounters.

Drawing on research from his new book, A History of USOs Volume 2, Richard explains how studying patterns across thousands of cases has changed his understanding of the phenomenon and what it may reveal about the long-term presence of these objects around our planet.

We also discuss:

• Whether the phenomenon has our best interests at heart
• The listener question asking if Richard is "holding something back"
• Alien behaviour and adaptation
• Humanity's future and technological dependence
• Why Richard fears human actions more than non-human intelligence
• Historical and modern USO cases
• Underwater UFO encounters
• Behavioural patterns across decades of sightings
• The USS Franklin D. Roosevelt case
• How Richard researched and analysed thousands of reports
• What the data may reveal about the phenomenon's intentions

This is Part 2 of a special extended conversation with Richard Dolan.

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Richard Dolan returns to That UFO Podcast for a deep dive into the biggest developments in the UFO/UAP conversation right now.

In Part 1, we focus on the latest UFO file releases, the ongoing push for transparency, David Grusch's recent comments, and whether what we're witnessing is actually disclosure—or something very different.

Richard shares his thoughts on the apparent battle between transparency and secrecy factions, why he believes many people have become caught up in "disclosure mania," and what historical government records reveal about recurring UFO waves and patterns stretching back decades.

We also discuss:

• The latest war.gov/UFO file releases
• David Grusch and whistleblower protections
• Whether disclosure is really happening
• Historical UFO cycles and patterns
• The 1948 documents and recurring waves
• The difference between disclosure and contact
• Alien behaviour and what the phenomenon appears to be doing
• AI and its impact on humanity's future
• Why Richard rejects predictions of imminent disclosure events
• Chris Bledsoe, Lue Elizondo and "something is coming" narratives
• The current state of the UFO conversation in 2026

This is Part 1 of a special extended conversation with Richard Dolan.

Part 2 will focus on USOs, underwater mysteries, the darker aspects of the phenomenon, humanity's future, and Richard's latest research.

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