Kevin Shtofman is the Global Head of Alliances and Corporate Development at Cherre, a real estate data platform powering over $3.3 trillion in AUM. With 20+ years of experience across real estate, finance, and consulting, Kevin leads global initiatives to integrate and contextualize data from systems, third parties, and JV partners, helping investors, operators, and asset managers make smarter decisions. At Cherre, he also oversees strategic partnerships, global expansion, and the innovation roadmap. Prior to joining Cherre, Kevin held leadership roles across the industry, including Chief Operating Officer at NavigatorCRE, and Global Real Estate Technology Strategy Lead at Deloitte, where he advised clients on emerging technologies like AI, automation, and blockchain. A recognized voice in real estate innovation, Kevin brings two decades of experience bridging data, operations, and technology across global real estate markets. Outside of work, Kevin is a golf enthusiast, occasional Ironman, and proud father of three daughters.

(02:05) - Kevin's Background
(05:19) - Challenges in Real Estate Data Management
(06:52) - Cherre’s Approach to Data Integration
(13:48) - Evolution of Cherre’s Platform
(21:41) - Client Success Stories
(24:58) - Future of Real Estate and AI
(25:23) - Feature: Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2026: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 22nd-24th, 2026. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass
(29:58) - Introducing Cherre AI Agent Marketplace
(33:58) - AI Use Cases
(40:06) - The Future of Real Estate Data
(42:29) - Affordable Housing and Investment
(47:37) - Collaboration Superpower: William Levitt (Wiki) & Larry Brown (Wiki)

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Cherre
➡️ Kevin Shtofman on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2026: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 22nd-24th, 2026. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Sharon Ayalon is the co-founder and CEO of UrbanMix, a next-gen platform using AI and 3D to streamline real estate operations. An architect by training, she previously taught at Columbia GSAPP and led advanced housing simulations at Cornell Tech. Sharon pioneered Roosevelt Island’s Digital Twin and XR transit experience. Her Ph.D. was awarded the President of Israel’s Grant for Scientific Excellence. This is episode was recorded live at Blueprint Vegas 2025. Sharon has been helping shape Gowanus Wharf, a groundbreaking Brooklyn development led by Charney Companies turning a former Superfund site into over 1,000 apartments, parks, and public waterfront. It's one of the most ambitious examples of how environmental cleanup, zoning reform, and innovative tools can unlock transformative urban development.

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit UrbanMix
➡️ Sharon Yavo Ayalon on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2026: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 22nd-24th, 2026. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

This week, we're introducing Tangent listeners to another podcast in the commercial real estate ecosystem: In The Loop from LoopNet.

How can workplaces endure ecologically, financially, and socially?

In this episode of In the Loop, Jordan Goldstein, co-CEO of Gensler, explores the future of sustainable and resilient office design. From global design trends and innovative materials to the role of AI in commercial real estate, Jordan shares how the industry is rethinking sustainability. You’ll learn why repositioning existing buildings matters, how policy and incentives drive real change, and what it takes to create workplaces built for tomorrow.

In the Loop is LoopNet’s commercial real estate podcast highlighting the people, ideas, and innovations shaping the future of work. For bonus video content, check out our YouTube channel.

Timestamps
00:00 - Welcome to the show and introduction of In The Loop podcast drop
01:01 - Phil Hazelhurst welcomes guest Jordan Goldstein, Co-CEO of Gensler
03:34 - How sustainability, resiliency, and “flight to quality” are reshaping office real estate
06:57 - The rise of AI in architecture & how Gensler uses tech to design smarter, lower-carbon spaces
13:38 - Materials makeover: mass timber, low-carbon concrete, and the future of building systems
19:37 - Global perspectives and the power of repositioning old buildings instead of starting new
26:24 - Gensler’s own electrified office and how the firm lives its sustainability mission in practice
37:42 - Final thoughts: Why design is an act of optimism and where sustainable real estate goes next
40:19 - Edward recaps conversation

Links & references:

• View spaces designed by Gensler

• Ready to find your next sustainable commercial space? Start your search

• Learn more about this episode

• Learn more about Commercial Real Estate"

Ryan Sawchuk is the VP of Product at Crexi, where he leads cross-functional teams to build advanced, data-rich tools aimed at transforming the commercial real estate workflow. With more than 15 years in product leadership, Ryan specializes in crafting AI-enabled, scalable solutions that boost transaction velocity, improve user experience, and integrate seamlessly into CRE operations. Prior to Crexi, Ryan held senior product roles at Indeed, Procore, and LinkedIn, shaping core features and driving growth in high-scale tech environments. He earned his education from Princeton University, which laid the foundation for his data-driven, user-first product philosophy. At Crexi, Ryan’s vision is to bridge the gap between real estate professionals and cutting-edge technology, making complex CRE data more accessible, actionable, and efficient. This is episode was recorded live at Blueprint Vegas 2025.

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Crexi
➡️ Ryan Sawchuk on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2026: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 22nd-24th, 2026. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Colton Pace is a founder and currently the CEO of Ownwell, a Proptech company dedicated to democratizing access to real estate expertise and reducing the hidden costs of homeownership. Under his leadership, Ownwell helps homeowners and property owners identify and appeal overvalued property taxes, reduce insurance and utility costs, and manage other home‑related expenses through data, automation, and local expert teams. Before founding Ownwell, Colton served as an investor, asset manager, and venture capitalist, helping manage billions of dollars across various asset classes. He was part of funds that made early investments in companies such as Uber, Spotify, Redfin, Snowflake, UiPath, Zuora, and Grab.

(01:05) - VC to PropTech Founder
(03:10) - $797B Property Tax Problem
(04:48) - Ownwell Traction: 700K+ Homes and SMB/CRE
(06:18) - AI Plus 80 Consultants: How Appeals Get Done
(08:50) - Success Rates and Savings: Residential vs Commercial
(11:27) - Portfolio Case Study: 124 SFR Properties in Texas
(13:45) - Valuation Methods and Local Differences
(16:13) - Market Size: $50 to 60B Opportunity
(17:29) - Feature: CREtech - Join CREtech New York 2025 on Oct 21-22 for the largest Real Estate Meetings program. Qualified Real Estate pros get free full event pass plus up to $800 in travel and hotel costs.
(19:02) - Beyond Taxes: Insurance, Loans, Utilities, Concierge
(21:30) - Building Trust with Homeowners and CRE Owners
(24:03) - Advice for PropTech Founders Selling into Real Estate
(26:49) - Collaboration Superpower: Matthew McConaughey

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Ownwell
➡️ Colton Pace on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ CREtech: Join CREtech New York 2025 on Oct 21-22 for the largest real estate meetings program. Qualified real estate professionals get free full event pass plus up to $800 in travel and hotel costs. Must own or manage 1K+ resi units, or 1M SF of CRE to qualify.

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Dustin Lacey is the CTO at Mark-Taylor, the leading developer, owner, and investment manager of luxury multifamily communities in Arizona and Nevada, with over 135 Class A Multifamily properties. He leads the firm’s tech evolution, powering the centralization of operations. Under his leadership, Mark‑Taylor has implemented innovative smart‑home integrations, centralized leasing and maintenance teams, and deployed unified resident platforms that enhance efficiency and elevate the resident experience. With a diverse background in irrigation, industrial manufacturing, and brand and marketing strategy, Dustin brings his unique experience into high-tech manufacturing from his tenure at TSMC, where he honed his skills in precision, process excellence, and product innovation.

(01:36) - From Brand Strategy to Tech Leadership: Building Digital DNA in Real Estate
(02:12) - Enterprise Proptech Success Story: Scaling a Multifamily Management Platform
(05:16) - Class A Portfolio Strategy: Maximizing Asset Performance Through Tech
(06:50) - Tech Stack Evolution: From AWS Integration to Custom CRM Development
(10:29) - ROI Deep Dive: Making the Business Case for Custom Proptech Solutions
(15:53) - Tech-Enabled Operations: Achieving Sub-2-Hour Response Times at Scale
(20:12) - Feature: Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2025: Friends of Tangent receive $300 off the All Access pass. The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on Sep. 16th-18th, 2025.
(21:22) - Go-to-Market Excellence: Standing Out in the Competitive Proptech Landscape
(31:41) - Risk Management Innovation: Tech Solutions for Modern Property Operations
(38:30) - Founder's Playbook: Key Insights for Proptech Startups Targeting Enterprise Clients

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Mark-Taylor
➡️ Dustin Lacey on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2025: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 16th-18th, 2025. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Liz Hart is President of Leasing for Newmark’s operating businesses in the U.S. and Canada, where she drives the strategy of the firm’s leasing platform, leads talent development and recruitment, and helps integrate technology to deliver better outcomes for clients. She also serves on Newmark’s Executive Committee, reporting directly to CEO Barry Gosin. With more than 20 years at Newmark, Liz has completed close to 35M square feet of transactions valued at over $4.2 billion. She has consistently ranked among the firm’s top producers and was a regular Top Five Producer in Newmark’s San Francisco office. Her experience spans advising technology companies from startups to Fortune 50 giants, repositioning large-scale developments that have reshaped skylines, and leading Newmark’s Technology & Innovation Practice Group to help landlords and tenants in the TAMI/TMT sectors create spaces that attract and retain talent.

(01:16) - State of the Office Market: Shrinking Supply & Turning Point
(05:05) - How to Approach Office Leasing in 2025
(13:45) - Talent, Culture & Competitive Advantage
(15:49) - Data-Driven Leasing & Advisory: Automation vs. Augmentation
(18:07) - Feature: CREtech - Join CREtech New York 2025 on Oct 21-22 for the largest Real Estate Meetings program. Qualified Real Estate pros get free full event pass plus up to $800 in travel and hotel costs.
(19:39) - Brand Building in Commercial Real Estate
(24:32) - Flex Space vs. Traditional Leasing
(27:00) - End-to-End Platform: Evolving the Leasing Function
(29:02) - In-House vs. Outsourcing Tech & Data
(29:41) - Data Sharing & Antitrust: The RealPage Settlement
(31:31) - Collaboration Superpower: Steve Jobs

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Newmark
➡️ Liz Hart on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ CREtech: Join CREtech New York 2025 on Oct 21-22 for the largest real estate meetings program. Qualified real estate professionals get free full event pass plus up to $800 in travel and hotel costs. Must own or manage 1K+ resi units, or 1M SF of CRE to qualify.

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.

Rishard Rameez is the Co‑Founder and CEO of Zown, an AI‑powered real estate platform that makes homeownership more accessible and affordable. Zown was born from a viral Reddit post where Rishard shared his frustration over paying over $70K in real estate commissions. The outpouring of support inspired him to flip the model: instead of paying big commissions, Zown gives buyers significant upfront cash to help with their down payment and closing costs, while offering sellers flat fees. This customer‑first model has driven rapid growth, with Zown processing over $300 million in transactions and becoming Canada’s fastest‑growing real estate brokerage. The platform has recently launched in California and continues expanding across North America. Rishard sparked a movement by transforming personal pain into an industry‑changing solution.

(02:17) - The Broken Home Buying Process
(03:02) - It All Started with a Viral Reddit Post
(05:39) - Early Pivot from Flat Fee Model
(14:59) - Unbundling Real Estate Services
(18:06) - Feature: Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2025: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on Sep. 16th-18th, 2025.
(19:00) - Feature: Meow - Business banking, with interest: Unlock a high-yield business checking account that pays up to 3.52%.
(20:31) - Zone's Growth Journey
(28:47) - Customer Acquisition Strategy
(30:36) - Recent Seed Round
(32:42) - Why Own vs. Rent a Home
(34:52) - Collaboration Superpower: Muhammad and Jesus Christ

💚 Learn more:
➡️ Visit Zown
➡️ Rishard Rameez on LinkedIn

💚 Feature:
➡️ Blueprint - The Future of Real Estate - Register for 2025: The Premier Event for Industry Executives, Real Estate & Construction Tech Startups and VC's, at The Venetian, Las Vegas on September 16th-18th, 2025. As a friend of Tangent, you can save $300 on your All-Access pass
➡️ Meow - Business banking, with interest: Unlock a high-yield business checking account that pays up to 3.52%.

💚 Connect with Tangent:
➡️ Edward Cohen on LinkedIn
➡️ Jeff Berman on LinkedIn
➡️ Zach Aarons on LinkedIn
➡️ Tangent on LinkedIn

Disclaimer: Tangent podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only, you should not construe any such information or other material as legal, tax, investment, financial, or other advise. Nothing contained on our program constitutes a solicitation, recommendation, endorsement, or offer by Tangent, Camber Creek, MetaProp, or any third party guest to buy or sell any securities, public or private, other financial instruments or funds.