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Sink and Swim

Sink and Swim

By: Julie Granger
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Sink into your truth, rewrite the story you were born to live, swim in your Soul’s purpose.


Sink AND Swim is a podcast for high-achieving Luminaires ready to break free from the “sink or swim” societal narratives that dictate the “right” ways to live, work, parent, and be.


By paddling furiously to stay afloat and conform to the corset of "sink or swim" narratives, we are pulled away from our deepest and most authentic stories.


This show illuminates the stories of Luminaires - gifted, talented, multidimensional, soul-led, and neurospicy people who have gone on the deep alchemical journey from telling a story of sink OR swim to sink AND swim.


Listeners are invited to “sink” into your raw, unfiltered stories, uncovering the gifts embedded in the parts of you that you were conditioned to hide and conform.


There, you'll find the buoyancy to “swim” - fully embracing the freedom to be who you are, live out your soul's purpose, and attract people and opportunities that honor you in your full expansiveness.


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Episodes
  • When Women in Healthcare Listen to Their Bodies Instead of Their Bosses: Dr Jess on the Wild Leap into Something Real
    Jun 25 2025

    In this powerful conversation, Dr. Jessica DeJarnette — physician, startup co-founder, nervous system nerd, and wildly untamed human — shares her story of dismantling the life that looked perfect on paper: white coat, paycheck, purpose. But behind the scenes? Dissociation. Identity unraveling. A body screaming no more.

    We talk about the trauma behind burnout (yes, we name it), the grief of letting go of status and stability, and the radical trust it takes to follow your body’s wisdom — even when the path ahead is foggy.

    If you’ve ever found yourself resenting the very life you worked so hard to build — the business, the job, the family, the good girl persona — this one will crack something open.

    Because the truth is, healing doesn’t always look graceful. Sometimes it looks like walking away from everything you thought would save you. And realizing the only map forward is the one your soul’s been holding all along.

    00:00 – A Life That Looks Good, But Doesn’t Feel Right
    We open with what so many high-achieving women feel but rarely say: “I built this... and I’m still not okay.”

    06:49 – Emergency Medicine, Adrenaline, and the Breaking Point
    Dr. Jess reflects on her early career in the ER and when the pace of saving lives started costing her own.

    15:11 – “I Dissociated Through My 30s”
    She names what many women in medicine feel but can’t admit: the survival state that became her baseline.

    23:26 – From Inner Collapse to Inner Compass
    A slow, terrifying unraveling — and how her intuition (plus a stranger in Alaska) helped her walk away.

    33:28 – Nomad Life, Nervous Systems, and Building from Blank Page
    Leaving behind the house, the job, the plan. How she rebuilt safety and identity without a blueprint.

    44:01 – Why She Co-Founded a Trauma Healing Startup
    A deep dive into why our systems can’t heal trauma — and what she’s doing instead.

    59:13 – “I Want to Be a Forest Witch”
    On redefining success, reclaiming wildness, and why she’s finally letting herself want what she wants.

    Love what you hear? Itching to discover more from Dr. Jess?

    Make sure you're following her on Instagram at @jessicadejarnette_md

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    1 hr and 14 mins
  • Trapped by the thing that was supposed to set you free: What it means when your soul says this isn’t it (and your body agrees).
    Jun 18 2025

    You left the job, the marriage, the religion, the profession.

    You built the thing, became “the one to watch.”

    You built it. They came. It worked. It succeeded.

    You should feel free. Right?
    But instead… you feel trapped. The victim of your own success.

    In this solo episode, I share the raw, unfiltered story I usually only tell behind closed doors — of building a seven-figure business called Illuminate Freedom … that looked and felt like freedom at first but eventually, it felt like a cage.


    I tell the story of mislabeling the early signals from my body.

    Of realizing I’d shape-shifted into something “successful” that everyone I knew was clapping for, but no longer matched my Soul.

    This is for the woman who’s been clapped for with lots of eyes on you — but doesn’t feel seen.


    For the high-achiever who built something beautiful — and now wants to burn it down.


    For the midlife luminaire who knows: you can’t swim in alignment until you let it sink.

    Intro: The Unexpected Trap of Success (00:00)
    Welcome to the story behind the story — the freedom you chase, and the cage you don’t see coming.


    Midlife Awakening & the Dissonance Dilemma (04:53)
    Why your body knows before your brain does — and how shame creeps in when your “dream life” doesn’t fit.


    You Can’t Heal in a Container That Wasn’t Built for You (09:29)
    Self-care isn’t always the answer — sometimes, it’s the cage.


    When Coaching Becomes a Conformity Corset (17:53)
    Leaving clinical life only to re-create the same dynamics in a new form.


    The Reckoning: “This Isn’t It” (20:14)
    The slow, quiet reckoning: your soul is no longer onboard.


    Bridge Time & Reimagining the Next Chapter (29:46)
    How I deconstructed a million-dollar business and created breathing room to find out who I really was.


    People, Purpose, and Permission to Pause (35:35)
    The deepest layer of the work: discovering who your people are now — and who you no longer need to perform for.


    If you're feeling seen by this episode and interested in discovering more -- join me for my virtual Summer Soulstice gathering June 25 -- for the woman straddling two worlds. One world you know "is NOT it." ...and one world you can't quite see, touch, taste, or feel yet.

    We'll help you sink in and find the grace and energy to navigate this liminal space -- all while harnessing the full bodied energy of summer to move with purpose and passion toward what's most soul aligned for you next.


    June 25 | 5 PM ET | On Zoom

    Tap here to read more about the Soulstice gathering and sign up to join us!


    If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend


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    55 mins
  • Outgrowing Your Swim Lane -- Jesse Moore on Sinking from Success to Swim into Your Heart's Purpose
    May 21 2025

    What happens when the life that once defined you — the job, the highest levels of success, the relationships — no longer fits?

    In this deeply honest and heart-forward episode of Sink AND Swim, Julie sits down with Jesse Moore, former NCAA Division 1 champion swim coach turned soulful performance mentor, to explore the liminal space between identities, the grief that comes with real growth, and the sacredness of coaching done from the heart.

    From walking away from the pool deck…
    ...to navigating heartbreak and reinvention…
    ...to starting over in China guided by intuition…

    Jesse models what it looks like to sink into the deep end and swim with purpose.

    Expect real talk about:
    💔 How the heartbreak of losing a dear friend and coaching mentor became the doorway to transformation
    🏊‍♂️ Why coaching is about being before doing and achieving ... and how he strives to model that for the swimmers he serves
    🌏 What moving across the world taught him about humanity
    ❤️‍🩹 and how grief — especially the kind passed down through the love of his grandmother — shapes how we show up

    This one’s for the high achievers learning to trust the inner nudges and sink in to the pause.


    It's for the helpers who are ready to be witnessed, too.

    And anyone who needs to hear: you’re not alone in the rebuild.


    00:00 - Sinking Into Jesse’s Story
    05:52 - When Love and Loss Crack You Open
    13:28 - Rebuilding Without the Resume
    22:34 - Coaching as Medicine, Not Just Metrics
    32:09 - A Soul-led Move to China
    42:18 - Nana, Grief, and What Really Matters
    54:52 - Realigning With Purpose

    Want to be supported by Jesse?

    Discover more at www.coachjessemoore.com and make sure to follow him on instagram @coachjessemoore


    If this episode speaks to you, hit subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a friend


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    Subscribe and watch full video episodes on Youtube

    Follow Julie on Instagram @drjuliegranger for clips, bonus content, and updates throughout the week

    Get a deeper dive on Sink and Swim topics by joining the email club

    Find out more about Julie's coaching programs at her website




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    1 hr and 9 mins

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