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Second Order Change

Second Order Change

By: Challenger Media House
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On Second Order Change we share honest conversations with incredible humans who have experienced the wild ride that comes with stepping our of the mainstream, embracing your calling and experience the fulfillment of comprehensive creative living. Life can be complicated, but it doesn't have to be. It all comes down to one simple question: who are you here to be? “If you’re brave enough to say goodbye, life will award you with a new hello.” ~ Paulo Coelho This is the part where you realize that the pivot is the path. YOUR path - to YOUR dreams. Maybe you're already on that path and need some support, or maybe you're still standing at the edge of leaving behind all you've ever known... either way, you are welcome here. We love you. This podcast is designed specifically for you. You will learn how others have replaced certainty with curiosity, turned obstacles into opportunities, and unlocked the lives their soul was seeking all along. Death to Certainty, Long Live the DreamCopyright 2025 Challenger Media House Art Economics
Episodes
  • Video Vendor to Strategic Partner: Evolving Your Creative Career with Lisamarie Shires
    Apr 21 2025

    In this episode, Executive Producer and business mentor Lisamarie Shires shares what it really means to move beyond execution and become a trusted strategic partner in the creative industry.

    Through stories and insights from years of experience working with filmmakers and photographers, Lisamarie explores how creatives can reclaim their value, embody their expertise, and lead projects with vision — not just visuals.

    We talk about navigating industry shifts, redefining success, and showing up with grounded authority in an environment that often pushes creatives into compliance.

    Whether you're navigating burnout, recalibrating your business, or ready to step into your next evolution as a creative leader, this episode offers clarity, permission, and practical wisdom.

    🕒 Chapter Breakdown:

    00:00 – The Evolving Role of Filmmakers

    01:15 – Navigating Uncertainty in Business

    04:20 – The Impact of Rapid Industry Changes

    08:08 – Adapting to Client Needs and Expectations

    12:55 – Creative Problem Solving in Production

    19:15 – Opportunities in the Mid-Level Market

    27:57 – Embracing Change and Adaptability

    28:36 – Navigating Industry Shifts

    31:57 – Balancing Work and Lifestyle

    32:32 – Resisting External Pressures

    35:02 – Aligning with Personal Values

    45:16 – The Power of Fearlessness

    54:34 – Long-Term Vision and Trust

    Step your game up and work with Lisamarie: https://lisamarieshires.com/

    Connect with Lisa on IG: https://www.instagram.com/lisamarieshires

    Connect with Evan on IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

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    57 mins
  • Embodying Authenticity: Conversations on Being and Becoming with Ian Maxwell
    Apr 12 2025

    In this episode of Second Order Change, host Evan Bourcier engages in a deep and insightful conversation with mindset coach, entrepreneur, and artist Ian Maxwell. The discussion explores the concepts of authenticity, the fluidity of identity, and how our intrinsic characteristics and conditioned behaviors shape our experiences. Highlighting the importance of internal authority over external validation, they delve into ways of being and becoming, the impact of storytelling on personal growth, and the nuances of discipline and devotion. Evan and Ian also reflect on emotional acceptance, the process of reintegration, and the transformative power of imaginative embodiment. The episode wraps up with practical advice on how to navigate these complex inner landscapes, making it a valuable listen for anyone interested in personal and professional development.

    Saturday April 19th I am going to be sharing the most impactful lessons I’ve learned about video and photo equipment - what to buy, what to rent, how to take advantage of depreciation, cost of ownership vs sticker price, when and why to buy a $10k tripod, gear strategy for companies vs freelancers, setting pricing, negotiating, and so much more.

    During the workshop we’re going to spend 80 minutes digging into these highly actionable principles and then have 40 minutes of QnA to talk about what’s going on in your specific world and how you can apply the tools to create more freedom for yourself, your team, and your family.

    Film Gear Hacking: https://www.ebourcier.com/film-gear-hacking

    Find Ian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mindset_magic_coach

    Find Evan on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

    Podcast Chapters:

    00:00 Exploring Authenticity and Identity

    01:30 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest

    02:31 Upcoming Financial Workshop Announcement

    04:09 Childhood Imagination and Adult Conditioning

    08:41 Discipline vs. Devotion

    09:55 Mindset Coaching and Personal Growth

    17:41 The Power of Storytelling and Acceptance

    23:21 Understanding Ways of Being

    28:27 Understanding Cognitive Dissonance

    29:03 The Power of Declarative Truths

    31:00 Exploring Rhetorical Secrecy

    33:02 The Interplay of Being and Becoming

    37:13 Authenticity and Self-Acceptance

    46:49 Embracing Emotions and Vulnerability

    54:32 Navigating Success and Inner Stories



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    58 mins
  • Navigating Grief, Growth, & Creativity with Michael Dalton
    Mar 31 2025

    What happens when you stop suppressing your emotions and start embracing them?

    In this episode, we dive into the messy, beautiful process of emotional growth—how childhood experiences, therapy, and personal awakenings shape our perspective on life, creativity, and success.

    We unpack:

    🔹 Growing up in a conservative religious environment and unlearning emotional suppression

    🔹 The impact of grief, heartbreak, and vulnerability on personal and creative life

    🔹 Balancing emotions and rationality into an integrated way of being

    🔹 How authenticity on social media can both empower and challenge us

    🔹 Parenting, individuality, and encouraging emotional expression in future generations

    This is a conversation about healing, growth, and the creative power of feeling deeply.


    🎧 Listen now on Second Order Change.


    Michael's IG: https://www.instagram.com/michaelishustle

    Evan's IG: https://www.instagram.com/ebourcier

    A Challenger Media House Production.

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    56 mins

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