Award-winning journalist and author Steven Petrow joins Dori Mintzer to explore how to “make” joy, even in some of life’s darkest seasons. Drawing on his new book, The Joy You Make: Find the Silver Lining Even on Your Darkest Days, Steven distinguishes joy from happiness, shares his personal journey through grief and loss, and offers research-informed, highly practical ways to cultivate joy from the inside out. From gratitude practices and community connections to play, reading, and embracing imperfection, this conversation invites listeners to see joy as an inner resource that can coexist with sorrow and uncertainty.

What We Talk About

• How joy differs from happiness, and why joy is more of an enduring inner state than a short-lived “high”
• Steven’s shift from a “Big Bang” fireworks idea of joy to quieter, everyday forms like serene, spiritual, and shared joy
• The core “recipe” for joy, including gratitude and connection/community as foundational ingredients
• Using practices like a 21‑day gratitude journal to retrain attention toward everyday blessings
• How joy and grief can coexist, and what Steven learned about this through the deaths of his parents and sister
• Vulnerability, shedding emotional “armor,” and how being more open deepens relationships and joy
• Creating space to “be” rather than “do,” including the joy of getting lost, the joy of the mundane, and silent retreats
• Joy in aging, being single, play, and intergenerational relationships in later life

About the Guest: Steven Petrow

Steven Petrow is an award-winning journalist and author best known for his essays in The Washington Post and The New York Times on aging, health, and civility, and he is also a regular contributor to NPR and other outlets. His TED Talk, “Three Ways to Practice Civility,” has drawn nearly 2 million views, and he is the former president of NLGJA: The Association of LGBTQ+ Journalists.Steven-Petrow.txt​

He has received numerous awards and grants from organizations including the National Endowment for the Humanities, the Smithsonian Institution, the Ucross Foundation, the Virginia Center for the Creative Arts, and the National Press Foundation, and in 2017 he endowed the Steven Petrow LGBTQ Fellowship at VCCA. Steven is the author of several books, including the bestseller Stupid Things I Won’t Do When I Get Old and his latest, The Joy You Make: Find the Silver Lining Even on Your Darkest Days; he serves as North Carolina’s 2024 Piedmont Laureate and lives in Hillsborough, North Carolina.Steven-Petrow.txt​

Connect with Steven Petrow

• Website: stevenpetrow.com
• Social: Active on LinkedIn

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In this inspiring conversation, internationally best-selling author, coach, and keynote speaker Richard Leider explores why purpose is fundamental to health, healing, happiness, and longevity, especially in the second half of life. He explains why purpose is something to be unlocked from within rather than found “out there,” and how small, everyday “little p” acts of meaning can ultimately reveal a bigger life purpose. Drawing on decades of work with leaders, research in lifestyle medicine, and stories from clients and his own life, Richard offers simple practices and questions to help listeners grow, give, and make each day count.

What We Talk About

• Why purpose is not a luxury, but a basic human need tied to well-being and longevity
• The difference between “big P” purpose and “little p” purpose in everyday life
• The “napkin test”: gifts + passions + values = purpose/calling
• How to think about purpose in retirement and the added decades of life many of us now have
• Practices like the two-minute purpose practice and the “grow and give” daily question
• The importance of relationships, community, and service in combating isolation and loneliness
• How curiosity and a growth mindset support purposeful aging
• Richard’s “incomplete manifesto for purpose” and what he stands for in his work

About the Guest: Richard Leider

Richard Leider is an internationally best-selling author, coach, and keynote speaker widely regarded as a pioneer of the global purpose movement. He has written 12 books, including three bestsellers that have sold over a million copies and been translated into 20 languages, and his PBS special, The Power of Purpose, was viewed by millions across the U.S.

He is the founder of Inventure – The Purpose Company, a firm dedicated to helping individuals live, work, and lead on purpose, and has worked with over 100,000 leaders in more than 100 organizations, including AARP, Ameriprise, Blue Zones, and the U.S. Department of State. Richard is ranked by Forbes as one of the top five most respected coaches, serves as a senior fellow at the University of Minnesota’s Center for Spirituality and Healing, and is a global purpose ambassador for Blue Zones and Blue Spirit Costa Rica. He and his wife, Sally, live in the Minneapolis, Minnesota area, and for over 30 years he has led Inventure Expeditions walking safaris in East Africa, where he founded and serves on the board of the Dorobo Fund for Tanzania.

Connect with Richard Leider

• Website: The Purpose Company
• Books
• The Napkin Test

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In this uplifting, research-rich conversation, Dr. Dori Mintzer talks with gerontologist Dr. Kerry Burnight, author of JoySpan: The Art and Science of Thriving in Life’s Second Half. Together they explore how to move beyond fear and decline-based views of aging and instead cultivate dignity, health, and joy throughout a longer life.

Dr. Kerry explains “JoySpan” as enduring well-being and contentment, an inside-out joy that can coexist with grief, illness, and real-life challenges, distinct from both lifespan and healthspan. She introduces the JoySpan Matrix of four internal strengths: Grow, Connect, Adapt, and Give, sharing practical, everyday ways listeners can keep learning, build nourishing relationships, enhance coping skills, and create meaning and legacy in later life.

Through stories from her decades of work in gerontology and powerful research findings on mindset and aging, Dr. Kerry shows how internalized ageism and a “decline aging mindset” can limit both length and quality of life, and what it looks like to replace fear with agency, curiosity, community, and conscious preparation for our future selves. Listeners come away with simple, doable practices, like gratitude, reaching out to others, and starting or joining circles and book groups, to expand their own JoySpan at any age.

About the guest

Dr. Kerry Burnight (“Dr. Kerry”) is a gerontologist on a mission to “make older better.” She taught geriatric medicine and gerontology for 18 years at the University of California, Irvine School of Medicine, co‑founded the nation’s first Elder Abuse Forensic Center, and founded TheGerontologist.com.

Recognized as “America’s gerontologist,” she has been an invited speaker at the White House Elder Justice Summit and the U.S. Department of Justice, and has appeared on CBS News, NBC News, The Doctors, Money Matters, and The Dr. Phil Show. She is a sought‑after keynote speaker and shares research-based strategies for optimizing dignity, health, and joy in longevity through her book JoySpan, her podcast, blog, and active presence online.

Connect with Kerry:

LinkedIn

Website

JoySpan

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