Jason sat down with his dad, Lloyd—his best friend—to talk about Lloyd's memoir, The Life I Dreamed Of, a story they’ve been circling for decades. What unfolds is a journey through trauma, religion, and striving, into the surprising discovery that God was never distant. They explore the weight of calling, the lies of separation, and the slow awakening to a love that doesn’t need to be earned. This is a conversation about moving from fear to trust, lack to abundance, and performance to rest. And at the center of it all is this: you’re not trying to be enough, you are enough.

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This episode of Rethinking God with Tacos is a raw, live-recorded conversation exploring some of the most difficult theological questions—wrath, hell, suffering, justice, and human brokenness—through the lens of a God who is fundamentally love. Recorded at Grace Orlando for the Sacred Undoing Conference, the throughline is a radical reimagining of God not as a distant judge but as a restorative presence, whose “wrath” is the fiery, healing force of love that seeks to destroy everything in us that is not of love’s kind, without ever harming our true identity. Through stories, humor, and honest dialogue, the conversation challenges traditional frameworks around sin, sacrifice, church, and judgment, reframing them as misunderstandings rooted in separation thinking, while inviting listeners into a deeper vision of union, restoration, and a God whose relentless affection aims to make us fully alive.

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In this rich and deeply moving conversation, Jason connects with Isi De Gersigny to explore the expansive, immersive, and measureless love of God. Together, they reflect on worship, trauma, healing, union, and the freedom that comes when we stop living for God’s approval and begin living from the realitythat we are already beloved. This episode is a beautiful invitation beyond fear, separation thinking, and performance-based faith into the wide-open life revealed in Jesus. If you’ve ever wrestled with God’s goodness, deconstruction, or what it really means to live loved, this conversation will stay with you.

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