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Radical Sacred

Radical Sacred

By: Jenny Misslin and Phillip Dieke
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 Remember, you are on sacred ground. Stay rooted.

For two years Jenny Misslin and Rev. Phil Dieke have been contemplating a podcast. An opportunity to discuss spirituality, nature, community, and the interconnectedness of it all. All things they love, are very anxious about, and eager to explore.

Radical, defined as "the relating to the fundamental nature of something." This term can be divisive, but to Jenny and Phil it is an invitation to connect back to the divine goodness, the sacred, at the core of all creation.

Radical Sacred is an invitation to join them in curiosity as they explore questions such as:
  • What is an experience that led you to a kinder, more inclusive spirituality?
  • Who was the first person you met that broadened your ideas about the Divine?
  • Where do you experience the Holy?
  • If liberation of self leads us on a pathway to liberation for all, what has that looked like in your own spirituality?
  • How do you find joy and pleasure in these wild times?
  • Has there been an anchor for you as your spirituality has shifted?
  • How can the stories we tell ourselves harm or heal ourselves, and creation?
Not experts, Jenny and Phil strive to live the questions while exploring the mystery of all that is unsolved in our hearts and souls.

Will you join them?Copyright Phillip Dieke Christianity Spirituality
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    00:00 Opening Reflections and Poetic Introduction
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    02:26 Introducing Colleen Moore and Her Work
    03:59 Personal Reflections on Heavy Times
    06:39 Finding Joy Amidst Struggles
    08:26 Understanding the Pilgrimage Experience
    08:38 The Young Adult Peace Pilgrimage Explained
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