Join product experts John Cutler and Ivana Ciric as they deconstruct the "messy" reality of product org transformation. Moving beyond rigid frameworks and feature factory mentalities, explore how leaders can embrace complexity, use AI for strategic sense-making and finally bridge the gap from simply shipping code to delivering genuine business value.

As companies race to adopt AI, many overlook the hardest part — the human one. In this conversation, we unpack the principles behind Humanizing AI Strategy and discuss how creativity, critical thinking, and cross-functional collaboration shape the success of any AI initiative. This episode is for decision-makers who want AI that works in the real world, helping them design systems that are responsible, effective, and grounded in their organization's purpose.

Many engineering leaders are eager to embrace AI, but few have a clear way to measure what's working. In this episode, we dig into how teams can track AI adoption, assess the real impact of AI tools and agents, and make smarter decisions about where to invest. You'll hear from Abi Noda, CEO and Co-founder at DX, and Chris Westerhold, Global Practice Director at Thoughtworks, as they share how leading engineering orgs are turning AI hype into measurable value.

Host:

Kimberly Boyd

Guests:

Abi Noda, CEO & Co-founder at DX
Chris Westerhold, Global Practice Director at Thoughtworks