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Power Producers Podcast

Power Producers Podcast

By: David Carothers
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  • Becoming the Protege with Rich Bales

    Becoming the Protege with Rich Bales
    Jan 2 2026
    In the tenth installment of the "Becoming the Protégé" series on Power Producers Shop Talk, host David Carothers sits down with Rich Bales of the Avanti Group to discuss his journey from medical device sales to becoming an agency owner and contestant on The Protégé Season 3. Rich shares his entrepreneurial story, detailing why he left a high-stress corporate career to build a business with more freedom and control. They also dive into the realities of starting in personal lines versus commercial, the power of risk management over selling policies, and why Rich believes his background in medical sales gives him a unique edge in targeting healthcare accounts. Key Highlights: From Corporate Grind to Agency Ownership Rich explains his transition from a demanding career in medical device sales to launching his own independent agency. Motivated by a desire for better work-life balance and tax advantages, he left behind the "golden handcuffs" of corporate quotas to build something sustainable for his family. Starting Where You Want to Finish David and Rich discuss the common advice given to new producers to start in personal lines. David challenges this notion, arguing that there is zero correlation between selling a $500 auto policy and closing a $25,000 revenue commercial account. Rich agrees, noting that while personal lines provided "at-bats," his goal is to move entirely into the commercial space. Risk Management vs. Selling Insurance The duo emphasizes that the most successful producers don't sell insurance—they sell risk management. David shares his strategy of opening meetings by explicitly stating, "This is not an insurance conversation," focusing instead on solving operational problems that naturally lead to the sale. Leveraging Past Experience Rich discusses his plan to target the healthcare vertical, utilizing his deep understanding of hospital administration and medical groups from his previous career. He and David explore how private equity is consolidating the space, creating opportunities for agents who can offer sophisticated risk management solutions rather than just transactional policies. The "Protege" Mindset When asked why he joined The Protégé, Rich admits he wants to be the "dumbest guy in the room" to maximize his learning. He views the competition not just as a contest, but as a priceless opportunity to steal best practices from top industry leaders and implement them immediately to scale his agency. Connect with: David Carothers LinkedIn Rich Bales LinkedIn Kyle Houck LinkedIn Visit Websites: Power Producer Base Camp The Avanti Group Killing Commercial Crushing Content Power Producers Podcast Policytee The Dirty 130 The Extra 2 Minutes
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    41 mins
  • Winning in Catastrophe Exposed Markets with Terry McLean

    Winning in Catastrophe Exposed Markets with Terry McLean
    Dec 31 2025
    In this episode of the Power Producers Podcast, host David Carothers interviews Terrence McLean, Co-Founder and CEO of SageSure. Terry joins the show from Silicon Valley to discuss how SageSure has grown into a powerhouse in the catastrophe-exposed property market. They dive deep into the philosophy of running toward risk when others run away, the critical importance of physical inspections, and why independent agents remain the ultimate experts in distribution. Key Highlights: The "Go Left" Philosophy Terry explains why SageSure enters markets that national carriers flee. While others retrench, SageSure finds fertile ground in difficult territories by understanding the risk better than anyone else and "going left" when the industry goes right. Boots on the Ground: The Inspection Mandate Despite advancements in technology, Terry emphasizes that AI and aerial imagery are not yet ready to replace physical inspections. He details why SageSure relies on boots-on-the-ground to verify insurance-to-value (ITV) and condition, ensuring they only write the best risks to protect their capacity. Carriers Can't Be Everything Terry argues that insurance carriers cannot be "all things to all people." Their job is to manage capital and margin. He highlights that independent agents are the necessary experts who must navigate the market on behalf of the consumer to find the right fit when a carrier's appetite is full. The "Parting Gift": Market Stabilization Terry offers a positive forecast for the future, predicting double-digit price decreases in reinsurance by 2026. This signals that the worst of the hard market is likely behind us, which should eventually lead to primary price stabilization for consumers. Top Tier Agency Partners When asked what separates a top-tier partner from the rest, Terry points to relationships and trust. SageSure aims to be a "top 3" carrier for their partners, and in return, they prioritize agents who maintain open communication and consistent volume. Connect with: David Carothers LinkedIn Terrence McLean LinkedIn Kyle Houck LinkedIn Visit Websites: Power Producer Base Camp SageSure Killing Commercial Crushing Content Power Producers Podcast Policytee The Dirty 130 The Extra 2 Minutes
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    41 mins
  • Becoming the Protege with Aaron Puchbauer

    Becoming the Protege with Aaron Puchbauer
    Dec 26 2025
    In this episode of the Power Producers Podcast, host David Carothers sits down with Aaron Puchbauer, a contestant on Season 3 of The Protégé. Aaron’s journey to insurance is unique—he spent 15 years as a healthcare executive before a corporate restructuring led him to pivot into the world of risk management. They discuss how Aaron’s background as a C-Suite buyer gives him a unique advantage in selling to decision-makers, why he sends meeting agendas in advance, and how he utilizes AI to prep for appointments. If you are a new producer looking to differentiate yourself, or a veteran looking to refine your process, Aaron’s "buyer-first" perspective is invaluable. Key Highlights: From Healthcare Executive to Insurance Producer Aaron Puchbauer shares his transition from a 15-year career in hospital administration to becoming an independent insurance agent. He explains how the desire to control his own destiny and provide stability for his family (specifically his son with autism) drove him to an industry where effort equals equity. The Buyer’s Perspective: Winning the Meeting Having spent years on the other side of the table fielding pitches from vendors, Aaron knows exactly what decision-makers hate—and what they respect. He details his strategy of sending a proposed agenda well in advance of the meeting, asking the prospect to strike or add items. This simple step establishes respect for the prospect's time and differentiates him from the "show up and throw up" competition. Boots on the Ground: Physical Risk Assessment Aaron and David discuss the necessity of "walking the walk" during a prospect visit. Aaron shares a recent experience inspecting a restaurant where he checked everything from the walk-in coolers to the Ansel system (fire suppression). By physically inspecting the risk, he identified misclassifications and coverage gaps that the incumbent agent missed entirely. Leveraging AI for Sales Preparation Aaron reveals how he uses ChatGPT to prepare for sales calls. By prompting the AI to act as the business owner (e.g., a restaurant owner) and asking it to generate likely objections and questions, he walks into meetings prepared for the specific operational concerns of that industry. The Power of "Walking Away" David emphasizes a lesson that usually takes new producers years to learn: the ability to spot a "fool's errand." They discuss a specific case where a prospect’s data was so disjointed (impossible liquor sales vs. gross receipts) that it required a hard conversation about whether the account was even insurable, highlighting the importance of underwriting on the front end. Connect with: David Carothers LinkedIn Aaron Puchbauer LinkedIn Kyle Houck LinkedIn Visit Websites: Power Producer Base Camp Imming Insurance Agency Killing Commercial Crushing Content Power Producers Podcast Policytee The Dirty 130 The Extra 2 Minutes
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    45 mins
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