The pastors' wives virtually sit down with mental health advocate, speaker, and author of Jesus and Therapy, Tabitha Yates. Tabitha bravely shares her story of growing up in an abusive home, navigating spiritual abuse, and battling deep depression from a young age.

Labeled “rebellious” by toxic church leaders when she was actually struggling, Tabitha opens up about how the church often got it wrong—and how therapy helped her begin to heal.

She shares about the hard work of deconstructing her faith, separating Jesus from harmful church experiences, and finding freedom in forgiveness. She also points out the red flags of spiritual abuse, the importance of healthy church leadership, and her heart for helping others find support, especially when faith and mental health collide.

This one’s for church leaders and anyone who’s been hurt by the church, felt misunderstood, or just needs to know they’re not alone.

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In this episode, the Pastors' Wives are spilling all the retreat tea—from belly laughs to sweet moments with their hubbies! Tune in as they dish on the joy of unplugging, the hilarity of a live comedy show, and why their version of sardines should definitely be the next big party game. It's all about friendship, fun, and those unforgettable memories that make life (and ministry) so much richer.

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The pastors' wives are honored to have Beth Allison Barr on the podcast to chat about her new book: Becoming the Pastor’s Wife: How Marriage Replaced Ordination as a Woman’s Path to Ministry. Beth has a PhD, from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and is James Vardaman Endowed Chair of History at Baylor

University in Waco, Texas, where she specializes in medieval history, women’s history, and church history. She is the author of the USA Today bestseller The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Barr lives in Texas with her husband, a Baptist pastor, and their two children.

In our conversation today, Beth shares the “deep cost” that came with the rise of the pastor’s wife role—especially the way it limited women’s opportunities to lead in their own right; how her background in medieval and women’s history has shaped the way she sees the role of pastors’ wives in today’s evangelical church; and gives encouragement for the pastors’ wives feeling stuck or silenced—who love the church but are struggling to find their place and voice in it. This conversation is educated, insightful, and full of grace for those who may disagree.

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