In part 2 of our conversation with Bill Kopsky, Executive Director of the Arkansas Public Policy Panel, Bill gets personal — starting with the moment a Yell County cattle rancher sized him up in a Walmart parking lot and told him flat out he didn't know anything about hog farms. That story, and what came from it, captures something central to how the Arkansas Public Policy Panel works: relationships, storytelling, and finding the human stakes beneath the political ones. Bill also unpacks a striking fact about Arkansas rental housing law — or rather, the lack of it — that may surprise you, and he explains how powerful special interests have managed to block what most Arkansans actually want. He offers a candid assessment of where Arkansas politics is headed, with both frustration and genuine optimism, and closes with a challenge to listeners: Arkansas doesn't suffer from too much ideology — it suffers from too little participation.

Join Glen and April as they talk with Bill Kopsky, Executive Director of the Arkansas Public Policy Panel, who says he planned to stay a couple of years but has spent 30 years with the organization. Bill traces the Panel's origins back to a remarkable group of mothers who launched it during the civil rights era, and he explains how it evolved into a statewide force for community organizing across economic, racial, and environmental justice issues. You'll hear why Bill thinks partisan polarization is largely a Capitol building phenomenon — and why the communities his organization works with tell a very different story. He also dives into a high-stakes battle playing out right now over Arkansans' century-old right to put measures on the ballot directly — a fight that's ended up in federal court, and that 80% of voters across party lines say they care about. If you've ever wondered whether ordinary citizens can actually move the needle on problems that have plagued Arkansas for generations, Bill has some answers — and some homework for you.

In this third & final part of our On The Other Hand podcast conversation with Elizabeth Henry-McKeever, Priest at St. Elizabeth’s Episcopal church in Little Rock, we move from the pews into the public square — and into some of the thorniest questions Christians face today. What is the church's role in promoting the common good, and why does Elizabeth believe Christianity is actually most effective when it's operating on the margins rather than the center of power? April presses on the uncomfortable tension between genuine service and evangelism, and Elizabeth doesn't dodge it. She talks about the diversity within Christianity that often gets drowned out, why moderate and progressive Christians need to find their voices, and how to have real conversations with people whose views feel miles away from your own — including what underlying fears often drive those views. Along the way, she shares her thoughts on the separation of church and state and where she still finds hope for common ground. It's a candid conversation that doesn't offer easy answers, but it does offer something rarer: a thoughtful Christian leader willing to wrestle with the questions out loud. Listen in to hear where she lands.