What drives someone to pick up a camera and head straight into the world's most dangerous conflicts? Michael Downey has made a career of documenting history's pivotal moments from the front lines, filming for major news outlets in war zones across the Middle East, Ukraine, and beyond.

In this gripping conversation, Michael takes us through his remarkable journey from an Arabic-studying university student to accidentally breaking a major story with the Muslim Brotherhood just before Egypt's Arab Spring. That lucky break launched him into a 14-year career that's placed him at the center of global conflicts, from the fall of Mubarak to the early terrifying days of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Michael's account of being in Kyiv when the first bombs fell at 3am on February 24th, 2022 offers a raw, unfiltered window into modern warfare. He describes the surreal experience of navigating an emptying city, feeling buildings shake from nearby strikes, and narrowly avoiding a rocket that missed his rental car "by about six inches." His matter-of-fact descriptions of assessing danger—"you don't have to worry until you can feel the buildings shake"—reveal the psychological adaptations necessary to function in such environments.

Beyond the adrenaline-fueled moments, Michael thoughtfully explores the deeper aspects of his work: how he compartmentalizes trauma, the guilt of being able to leave when locals cannot, and witnessing how history gets written and sometimes rewritten by those in power. His perspective on finding meaning in dangerous work while maintaining mental health offers insights that extend far beyond journalism.

Whether you're fascinated by global events, documentary filmmaking, or extraordinary career paths, Michael's story demonstrates what it means to have "a front seat to history" and the profound responsibility that comes with it. Subscribe now to hear more remarkable career journeys on No Ordinary Monday.

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Tony Bonner takes us deep into his extraordinary experiences as a first responder at the Lockerbie bombing in this gripping conclusion to his two-part interview. His vivid account of discovering the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 – the cockpit embedded in a Scottish field, bodies scattered across the countryside – offers a rare glimpse into one of Britain's darkest moments through the eyes of someone who lived it.

The psychological impact of such trauma shapes much of Tony's narrative. He describes how his mind protected him from certain memories while preserving others in stark detail, and shares the profound moment when hearing radio reports about grieving families in New York brought the human dimension of the tragedy into sharp focus. Despite the horror, Tony speaks with remarkable clarity and respect, carefully balancing clinical observations with deep compassion for the victims.

But this episode isn't just about disaster – it's about reinvention and finding purpose. At 36, Tony made the courageous decision to pursue his lifelong dream of becoming a lawyer. Studying full-time while working night shifts to support his family, he eventually became a prosecutor specializing in homicide cases. His matter-of-fact descriptions of Glasgow's violent crime scene and his work on notorious cases including the World's End Murders reveal the gritty reality of criminal prosecution.

Throughout our conversation, Tony's wisdom about career satisfaction shines through. "Nobody ever had a satisfying career being half-hearted," he observes, emphasizing that meaningful work requires full commitment regardless of the field. Whether describing his time as a trauma nurse or criminal prosecutor, his story demonstrates how even the most challenging circumstances can become stepping stones to personal growth and professional fulfillment.

Ready to be inspired by an extraordinary journey through two demanding careers? Listen now, and discover why finding work you love means "you'll never do a day's work in your life."

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The red emergency phone had never rung before. When it finally did on December 21st, 1988, trauma nurse Tony Bonner and the Medic One rapid response team knew they were facing something unprecedented. A jumbo jet had crashed in Lockerbie, Scotland, and they were racing toward one of the worst aviation disasters in history.

Tony's journey to that pivotal night was anything but straightforward. From seminary school at age 11 where he was preparing for priesthood (despite becoming what he calls an "evangelical atheist" by 15), to psychiatric nursing where he handled volatile patients including two men both convinced they were Jesus Christ, Tony's career path defied convention. Eventually drawn to emergency medicine for its adrenaline and the opportunity to make life-or-death differences, he found himself on Scotland's elite trauma response team, Medic One.

Nothing could have prepared them for Lockerbie. Racing through stormy winter weather at breakneck speeds in a police Range Rover, Tony and his colleagues tried reassuring each other they could handle what awaited. The scene that greeted them was apocalyptic – houses obliterated, fires burning everywhere, jet fuel running down gutters, and wreckage scattered across miles. Following a local GP's lead up Tundergarth Hill, they made a surreal discovery that encapsulates the jarring nature of the disaster – the cockpit of Pan Am Flight 103 lying in a field among grazing sheep.

This vivid, first-hand account offers rare insight into the human experience behind disaster response. Beyond the technical aspects of emergency medicine, we witness the fear, doubt, and determination of those who step forward when tragedy strikes. Join us for this two-part episode as Tony recounts his extraordinary experience at Lockerbie and shares how it eventually led him toward an entirely new career as a criminal prosecutor.

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What happens when an anthropologist volunteers as a "demonstration corpse" at a Japanese funeral industry convention? Dr. Hannah Gould's extraordinary career studying death and dying takes her to places few of us will ever experience—from crematoriums crushing infant remains with teaspoons to coffin fashion shows complete with commentators and pumping music.

In this deeply fascinating conversation, we explore the strange contradiction of our society's relationship with death: our obsession with true crime and fictional mortality versus our reluctance to discuss real, everyday death. Hannah explains how even medical professionals receive minimal training on handling death conversations, leading young doctors to feel they've "failed" when patients die. Her work teaching "Death and Dying 101" aims to change this mindset, helping future healthcare workers understand that their job isn't preventing death but helping people "die later or die better."

The discussion takes unexpected turns as Hannah shares insights from death care conventions around the world. From robotic Buddhist priests reciting sutras for the dead to coffee ground with recycled gravestones, the death industry reveals itself as simultaneously innovative, practical, and occasionally absurd. We also explore the approaching phenomenon of "peak death"—where aging baby boomer populations will create unprecedented demand for death care services—and why young people seeking stable careers might consider this growing field.

Throughout our conversation, Hannah maintains that working with death requires strong convictions (either religious or atheistic), grounding in everyday joys, and crucially, a good sense of humor. She keeps her own cardboard coffin in her office, decorated by students who add their reflections on mortality each year—a perfect embodiment of her approach to making death approachable rather than fearsome.

Ready to rethink your relationship with mortality? Hannah's parting wisdom offers a liberating perspective: don't hold too tightly to plans, but do share your preferences with loved ones. After all, we're all going to die—why not find ways to talk about it that bring us closer together rather than push us apart?

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Emmy award-winning cinematographer Keith Partridge takes us behind the scenes of adventure filmmaking, revealing the extraordinary skills and mindset required to capture footage where few dare to venture.

From dangling 3,000 feet off Angel Falls in Venezuela to filming on the summit of Everest, Keith has made a career of putting cameras in places that seem impossibly dangerous. What's remarkable is how his journey began – not scaling mountains from childhood, but working in a factory making pressure switches for electric showers after failing his A-levels. His path changed forever when he spotted a BBC job advertisement at 18, beginning a journey that would eventually lead him to resign without another job lined up, simply because he felt called to adventure.

The heart of our conversation explores a particularly harrowing moment during the filming of the BAFTA award-winning documentary "Touching the Void." Keith recounts finding himself on a hanging sheet of ice just an inch thick in the Peruvian Andes, where his guide could only mouth the words "don't fall." This story perfectly illustrates Keith's approach to extreme filming – it's not about recklessness or being "gung-ho," but rather about preparation, situational awareness, and team trust.

What comes through clearly is how Keith views fear as a positive force – a natural pause button that makes you assess situations carefully. For anyone fascinated by adventure, filmmaking, or how people perform under pressure, this conversation offers rare insights into a truly extraordinary career. Keith's journey proves that sometimes the most remarkable lives begin with simply being open to opportunity and saying "yes" when adventure calls.

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Have you ever wondered what it would be like to control a laser on another planet? Dr. Nina Lanza does exactly that as a planetary scientist at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where she leads the ChemCam instrument on NASA's Curiosity rover.

With infectious enthusiasm, Nina takes us through her remarkable journey from a space-obsessed child who dreamed of "working on a spaceship with lasers" to a scientist who commands rovers on Mars. Her story reminds us that passion and persistence can transform seemingly impossible dreams into reality.

The conversation explores what planetary scientists actually do day-to-day and why studying Martian rocks matters. Nina explains the difference between Curiosity's mission to assess Mars' habitability and Perseverance's hunt for signs of ancient life, offering fascinating insights into how these rovers gather data using sophisticated laser technology that can analyze rocks from a distance.

Perhaps most captivating is Nina's firsthand account of the Curiosity rover's launch and landing. She vividly describes the anxiety of watching years of work blast off into space and the heart-stopping "seven minutes of terror" as the rover attempted its unprecedented landing using a sky crane system that had never been fully tested. These moments of scientific triumph come alive through her personal narrative.

Nina also dismantles stereotypes about scientists, confessing she "wasn't particularly good at school" and secured her first Mars job through relentless enthusiasm rather than perfect credentials. Her message is clear and encouraging: follow what you love learning about, and you'll find your path regardless of your starting point or age.

As we stand at the threshold of potentially discovering evidence of life beyond Earth, Nina makes a compelling case for continued investment in Mars exploration, particularly the Mars Sample Return mission. Her story exemplifies how human curiosity, persistence, and collaboration can extend our reach beyond our home planet and potentially answer one of humanity's most profound questions: are we alone in the universe?

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Welcome to No Ordinary Monday — the podcast that takes you inside the world’s most thrilling, bizarre, and extraordinary careers. Each week, host Chris Baron sits down with someone whose job will make your jaw drop.

From war photographers, to Mars scientists, bomb disposal experts to dominatrixes...our guests share the highs and lows of their working lives, and reveal that one unforgettable experience that tops everything else in their career.

First episodes will drop Monday 18th August 2025. If you’re into behind-the-scenes stories, weird jobs, or just need a good reason to love Mondays again – check it out.

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