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Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning

Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning

By: Seth Fleischauer
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 Make It Mindful: Insights for Global Learning is a podcast for globally minded educators who want deep, long-form conversations about how teaching and learning are changing — and what to do about it. Hosted by former classroom teacher and Banyan Global Learning founder Seth Fleischauer, the show explores how people, cultures, technologies, cognitive processes, and school systems shape what happens in classrooms around the world. Each long-form episode looks closely at the conditions that help students and educators thrive — from executive functioning and identity development to virtual learning, multilingual education, global competence, and the rise of AI. Seth talks with teachers, researchers, psychologists, and school leaders who look closely at how students understand themselves, build relationships, and develop the capacities that underlie deep learning — skills like perspective-taking, communication, and global competence that are essential for navigating an interconnected world. These conversations surface the kinds of cross-cultural experiences and hard-to-measure abilities that shape real achievement. Together, they consider how to integrate new technologies in ways that strengthen—not replace—the human center of learning. The result is a set of ideas, stories, and practical strategies educators can apply to help students succeed in a complex and fast-changing world.© 2025 Make It Mindful: An Education Podcast
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  • #76 Experiment with Humility: Teaching in the AI Evidence Gap with Justin Reich

    #76 Experiment with Humility: Teaching in the AI Evidence Gap with Justin Reich
    Feb 9 2026
    Justin Reich (MIT) on “local science,” AI hype cycles, and why schools need to do less.Justin Reich returns to the podcast with an “applied historian” lens: not dismissing generative AI as just another hype cycle, but insisting we treat early classroom uses as experiments—because history says our first instincts about new tech in schools are often wrong.We talk about what Reich learned while making the excellent podcast The Homework Machine (hundreds of teacher conversations, dozens of student interviews), why “policy” isn’t enough without social movements, and what educators can do right now while the research base lags behind practice. The throughline: experiment with humility, collect local evidence, share what you’re learning—and beware the trap of “efficiency” that just increases the amount of work schools try to do.A late pivot goes straight at the emotional core: if Justin had the power to “turn off” AI forever, would he? His answer is less about tools and more about what developing humans most need—time with their own thoughts, and time with each other.Key moments (approx.)00:00 — Back on the show + Seth’s “homework” assignment: The Homework Machine 02:18 — “It is different… they’re all different”: tech revolutions and the education pattern that repeats 06:47 — Tech won’t solve inequality; social movements change norms, politics, and resource distribution 09:05 — The web literacy cautionary tale: 25 years of teaching the wrong methods 11:19 — “Local science”: teach as experimentation, then look hard for evidence it helped 15:11 — When there’s no historical control: talk to students, use “Looking at Student Work” protocols 18:49 — Why “big science” takes so long—and why expert practice has to exist before we can teach it 20:45 — The “copilot” problem: even elite engineers don’t yet know how to train novices well 32:46 — What’s likely to happen: business incentives degrade “consumer” tools schools rely on 35:06 — “Subtraction in Action”: schools are maxed out; improvement often requires doing less 38:57 — Listener question: if he could turn off AI, would he? 40:33 — The case for schools as a refuge from attention-harvesting tech: boredom, thought, and peopleThemes you’ll hear recurReich draws a sharp line between healthy teacher experimentation and premature system-wide adoption. He argues schools can run experiments, but they should label them as experiments, gather some evidence (even simple comparisons), and share results—because otherwise we risk repeating the web-literacy story: good-faith instruction that felt right, wasn’t obviously failing day-to-day, and later turned out to be counterproductive.He also pushes against the fantasy that AI will “solve” structural problems (inequality, overburdened systems, disengagement) without political and social work. And he returns to a point that’s easy to miss in the AI noise: when systems get “more efficient,” they often don’t get simpler—they just try to do more.Links mentionedTeachLab Presents: The Homework Machine (TeachLab) — https://www.teachlabpodcast.com/ MIT Teaching Systems Lab — https://tsl.mit.edu/ A Guide to AI in Schools: Perspectives for the Perplexed (TSL guidebook page) — https://tsl.mit.edu/ai-guidebook/ Teacher Moments (digital clinical simulations) — https://tsl.mit.edu/practice_space/teacher-moments/ National Tutoring Observatory — https://nationaltutoringobservatory.org/ Closing thoughtIf you’re waiting for definitive answers about “best practice,” this episode is a reality check: we’re early, the expert playbooks are still being invented, and schools can’t afford to improvise at scale. But you can run local experiments with honesty, protect what already works, and prioritize the rare thing schools can uniquely give students now: space away from the machines—space for thinking, writing, and relationship.Support for Make It Mindful is brought to you by Banyan Global Learning, creating live, human-centered global learning experiences that help students use language in real contexts—through virtual field trips and international collaborations.
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    47 mins
  • #75 Systems Thinking for Clinical Impact with Karen Dudek-Brannan

    #75 Systems Thinking for Clinical Impact with Karen Dudek-Brannan
    Jan 26 2026
    What happens when the “direct service” model—pull-out support, isolated practice, and heroic effort—doesn’t translate into real independence for students in real classrooms?In this episode, Seth Fleischauer is joined again by Dr. Karen Dudek-Brannan—speech-language pathologist, executive functioning specialist, and host of the De Facto Leaders podcast—to talk about what breaks down when clinicians become the bottleneck, why generalization fails (especially with EF and social “read the room” skills), and how to build systems that scale beyond one specialist’s calendar.Karen’s core argument is simple: even if schools had more money and more staff, direct sessions alone can’t carry the full weight of the cognitive + language demands students face. The answer isn’t “do more.” It’s design repeatable routines, simplify what works, and make it transferable—first to teachers, then to whole-building practices.We dig into:Why executive functioning doesn’t generalize well from isolated support sessions into classrooms—especially “soft skills” like social executive functioning and real-time feedback loops.The clinical decision-making bottleneck: how highly skilled clinicians unintentionally make themselves irreplaceable (and exhausted) by re-inventing everything.Why burnout often isn’t about being busy—it’s about not feeling effective (and why “self-care as escape” doesn’t fix the core problem).Karen’s idea of “clinical containers”: a way to organize EF and language work so you can iterate without chaos, and document without pretending your system is “finished.”Change management in schools: don’t go nuclear. Build a minimum viable version, pilot with willing partners, and scale through phased rollout.The practical reality: teachers don’t need “one more thing.” They need support that fits existing workflows and solves problems in their language, not yours.Lightning roundKaren shares what she’s rethinking right now: micromanaging vs. scaffolding (when are you over-controlling, and when are you responsibly building capacity?).Her comfort-watch recommendation—surprisingly relevant to public-sector life: Parks and Recreation.We also surface a leadership tool Seth has been leaning on: The Coaching Habit (the “ask more, tell less” approach). (Leadership Foundations)One actionable starting point (Karen’s):If you want to shift from “I can’t possibly do building-wide influence” to actually moving the system: Create a non-negotiable block of weekly time to build the solution. The content of that block can change, but the container has to exist first.Links and resources mentionedDr. Karen Dudek-Brannan — main site + leadership resources (drkarendudekbrannan.com)De Facto Leaders podcast (De Facto Leaders)Dr. Karen Speech — language therapy + “containers” training (Dr. Karen Speech and Language)The Coaching Habit (Michael Bungay Stanier) – 7 questions framework (Leadership Foundations)Prior Make It Mindful context: Episode 50 with Karen (Executive Functioning Part 2) + Part 1 with Mitch Weathers (Organized Binder)Organized Binder (Mitch Weathers) (Organized Binder)GuestDr. Karen Dudek-Brannan is a speech-language pathologist and executive functioning specialist who helps clinicians and school teams build sustainable systems that improve transfer, reduce bottlenecks, and increase impact across the school day. (Dr. Karen Speech and Language)About the sponsorSupport for Make It Mindful is brought to you by Banyan Global Learning, creating live, human-centered global learning experiences that help students use language in real contexts—through virtual field trips and international collaborations.If this episode moved you, share it with a colleague who’s stuck in the “we’re doing so much but nothing is sticking” problem—and leave a rating or review.
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    41 mins
  • BONUS: Why We Trust Numbers More Than Words

    BONUS: Why We Trust Numbers More Than Words
    Jan 19 2026

    In this short bonus episode, Host Seth Fleischauer reflects on a question sparked by a recent conversation with Stephanie Frenel of SchoolOps AI: why do schools so often default to quantitative data and shy away from qualitative insight?

    Drawing on his own teaching experience and conversations with fellow educators, Seth explores how numbers feel safer, more objective, and easier to defend—while words require judgment, confidence, and accountability. He contrasts traditional grading systems with narrative assessments at The Earth School, where qualitative data demanded deeper observation and, ultimately, better teaching.

    The episode makes a simple case for mixed methods and for reclaiming qualitative data as a rigorous, human-centered tool—especially in a system that often asks teachers to hide behind numbers.
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    9 mins
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