Calling into question the utopian pitch of "doing life together,” John and Dan finally land on a name for the podcast, and "finish" their conversation about ways to do church differently. An observed cultural shift may hold the key – but is the Church ready? Let's talk about the power shifting from the pulpit to the pew. Learn more about where John and Dan try to make it happen at ginghamsburg.org. 

John and Dan continue their conversation about ways to do Church differently through the lens of the 2023 Asbury College Revival. What sparks is a curious discussion about the "producer generation" and what implications may impact modern worship. ALSO – how to instantly get 100 new kids to come to youth group, why white milk is better than chocolate (humbly speaking) and a cigarette burn responsible for setting motion to the entire Ginghamsburg movement. 

You can tell by Dan's vocal fry that he wasn't feeling too well. It might have been dehydration, but Dan wonders if other frustrations might actually be the root cause. In this episode, John and Dan talk about phygital relationships, give us courage in the face of change, discuss what might be turning people away from church, the essence of wisdom, church tribalism, abandoning our church facilities and FALSELY CLAIM that episode 03 wraps the conversation.