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Maintenance Phase

Maintenance Phase

By: Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes
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Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.© 2026 Maintenance Phase Hygiene & Healthy Living Mental Health Awareness World
Episodes
  • Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?
    Jul 27 2026

    We’re nearly halfway through Trump's second term and we still don’t have a Surgeon General. What gives?

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    • White House withdraws nomination of Janette Nesheiwat
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Distorted Key Parts of Her Résumé
    • Dr. Janette Nesheiwat takes role at Walter Reed treating Havana Syndrome
    • When Did RFK Jr Start Listening to Calley and Casey Means?
    • What Casey Means and MAHA Want You to Fear
    • Trump’s Surgeon General Pick Is Tearing the MAHA Movement Apart
    • Trump surgeon general pick said mushrooms helped her find love
    • The Dizzying Rise of MAHA Warrior Calley Means
    • Casey Means Poised to Become Nation’s Top Doctor
    • Casey Means discloses financial ties to supplement industry
    • Laura Loomer Targets Trump’s Pick for Surgeon General
    • The Bad Science of Good Energy
    • Trump's Surgeon General Pick Tried to Trademark MAHA
    • Can Trump's latest pick for surgeon general make it through confirmation?
    • New surgeon general pick in deleted posts criticized Trump, RFK Jr
    • Trump’s pick for SG sells supplement with ingredient banned by Pentagon
    • Trump’s new surgeon general pick deepens MAHA-MAGA rift

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    1 hr and 13 mins
  • Salt
    Jun 10 2026

    In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?

    Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.

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    • The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America
    • Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Reduction for the Prevention of Cardiovascular Disease
    • Salt Wars
    • The INTERSALT Study: background, methods, findings, and implications
    • Sodium reduction
    • Sodium Intake Reduction: An Important But Elusive Public Health Goal
    • Effects of Diet and Sodium Intake
    • Salt intake, stroke, and cardiovascular disease
    • Racial and Ethnic Differences in Sodium Sources and Sodium Reduction Behaviors Among US Adults
    • The Great Salt Debate: So Bad?
    • Salt guidelines draw heavy backlash
    • Sodium Reduction in US Households’ Packaged Food and Beverage Purchases
    • Blood pressure lowering efficacy of angiotensin converting enzyme (ACE) inhibitors for primary hypertension

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    53 mins
  • Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)
    Apr 16 2026

    We're joined by Mike's If Books Could Kill co-host to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys.

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    • The 4-Hour Body
    • Does Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence
    • New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life!
    • The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called Yourself

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    1 hr and 8 mins
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