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Leading Through Growth

Leading Through Growth

By: Tony Sanders
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Leading Through Growth features thoughtful, executive-level conversations with leaders navigating the complexity that comes with growth. Hosted by Tony Sanders, Founder and Fractional Chief Learning Officer at Gawlo, the podcast explores how executives and operators lead teams through periods of expansion—sharing lessons, decisions, and insights from scaling leaders, teams, and culture. These conversations are reflective, practical, and peer-driven. Rather than tactics or trends, each episode focuses on how leadership evolves as organizations grow and what experienced leaders wish they had uTony Sanders Economics
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  • 003 - How Leadership Must Evolve as You Scale
    Mar 25 2026

    What got you here won’t get you there.

    In this conversation, Kevin Gearheart, President of Rehab Medical, reflects on what leadership must become as an organization grows—especially when the instincts that once drove success begin to create friction.

    Early in a company’s life, control drives performance. But as complexity increases, that same control can turn leaders into bottlenecks. What replaces it is not less leadership—but a different kind: clarity, structure, and trust.

    Kevin shares how his role has evolved over two decades of leadership and a decade in the president seat—leading through sustained, rapid growth while maintaining culture, talent quality, and operational discipline.

    This episode explores:

    • The shift from control to clarity—and why it matters
    • How leaders unintentionally become bottlenecks
    • Why culture at scale requires structure, not just intention
    • The role of purpose in sustaining performance under pressure
    • Balancing transparency with confidentiality as a senior leader
    • Why trust accelerates execution
    • The hidden cost of ego in growing organizations
    • How a single comment from a leader can carry unintended weight


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    25 mins
  • 002 - When Growth Confronts Your Ego
    Mar 11 2026

    Growth doesn’t just scale your business.
    It exposes you.

    In this episode of Leading Through Growth, Tony sits down with Marcie Anderson to explore what happens when leadership pressure reveals something deeper — ego, resistance, and identity.

    Marcie shares the pivotal moment when a system implementation forced her to confront her own reaction… and how that shift reshaped how she leads. From learning to operate inside “the sandbox” you’re given, to building trust that lowers fear instead of standards, this conversation reframes empathy as discipline — not softness.

    You’ll hear:

    • Why purpose matters more than position

    • The difference between training leaders and developing them

    • Why strong leaders don’t lead with policy

    • How ego quietly undermines growth

    • Why proximity still matters in a remote-first world

    If you’re scaling a team, navigating rapid change, or feeling friction between conviction and constraint, this episode will challenge how you show up when growth gets uncomfortable.

    Because sometimes leading through growth starts with leading yourself.

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    20 mins
  • 001 - From Cashier to Chief People Officer
    Feb 25 2026

    What if the most important leadership lesson starts at the register?

    In this episode of Leading Through Growth, Tony Sanders sits down with Demekya “Mekey” McAllen, who began her 33-year career at Walmart in an entry-level role and went on to become Chief People Officer at Girl Scouts of Central Indiana. Her story isn’t about titles. It’s about perspective.

    Mekey reflects on how seeing value in “small” roles shaped her leadership philosophy, why complexity increases as you grow — and how easy it is to lose sight of what matters most. She shares hard-earned insight on burnout, perfectionism, and the quiet pressure high performers place on themselves.

    This conversation is a reminder that growth rarely starts with knowing everything. It starts with recognizing the value of where you are, taking the next step before you feel fully ready, and trusting that leadership is built over time — often in places others overlook.

    If you’re early in your career, sitting in a role that feels small, or navigating a demanding season of growth, this episode offers a grounded perspective on how confidence actually begins.


    0:00 Favorite Girl Scout Cookies

    0:17 Intro

    0:55 I see greatness in you

    2:03 33 years at Walmart

    4:34 Walmart culture taglines

    6:01 The little things6:56 Growth

    8:16 Know your people

    9:25 Burnout

    13:04 Present over perfection

    16:29 Don't limit yourself

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    20 mins
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