Brandon and Drew sit down with Zack Telander, musician and former fitness creator, to talk about reinvention, discipline, and creative freedom. What started as lifting videos and strength culture eventually turned into a full pivot into music and a decision to go all-in on something completely different in his 30s.

Zack breaks down the reality of building an independent music career from scratch, why traditional record deals aren’t always what they seem, and how “golden handcuffs” quietly trap artists into careers they didn’t actually want. They get into audience capture, the pressure to perform online, and what happens when your identity outgrows the thing that made you successful.

It’s about starting over without guarantees, choosing the harder path, and building something that actually feels like yours.

Catch Zack’s latest MUSIC ALBUM and Tour dates below:

• https://www.instagram.com/zack_telander/

NEW ALBUM:

• https://open.spotify.com/album/3rNIGmMBjSk0vqOoQBZWNK?si=7i8kPMG7Ql-fJ-zjQ54Kpg

Tour Dates:

• https://www.telander.live/

Brandon sits down with Drew Haas and Drake Vliem, Drew’s teammate from Netflix’s Outlast Season 2, where the two built an unbreakable brotherhood surviving the Alaskan wilderness together. What started as a reality show became a mental and physical war of endurance, trust, and grit.They unpack what Netflix’s Outlast really felt like, from the “no rules” team chaos to the brutal cold, the mental lows, and the weirdest part of winning: going back to normal life like nothing happened.

They get into the behind-the-scenes mind games, the survival details you never saw on screen (food, fire, water, injuries), the flood of online hate after the show dropped, and why their whole strategy came down to two words: Wing It.

Comment down below your favorite part of the podcast!

Follow and stay up to date with Drake Vliem below:

https://www.instagram.com/dvliem12/

It Must Be Nice is an unscripted long-form podcast hosted by Brandon, featuring real conversations with creatives, builders, and operators about the work, pressure, and personal cost behind success.

In Episode 1, Brandon is joined by co-host Drew Haas, along with guests Bart Crow of the Bart Crow Band and longtime friend Jason Jeffery, for an honest hangar-table conversation about longevity in music, financial stress, family life on the road, burnout, faith, and what happens after you’ve been grinding for decades.

Bart opens up about a 21-year career in music, the mental toll of constant touring, slowing down after years of go-go-go, and the mindset shift that came from gratitude, prayer, and learning to stop comparing his path to everyone else’s.

Check out Bart Crow Band!

For upcoming tour dates, music, and announcements, visit:
https://bartcrowmusic.com/