italy made us question more than just travel.

in this episode, we talk about slowness, presence, ambition, community, beauty, and what happens when another culture makes you reconsider the way you’ve been living your life...

we recorded this conversation while hiking through the mountains, so consider the traffic noise, heavy breathing, and occasional chaos part of the experience.

march 9, 2026

welcome back to the whole mess podcast.

in this episode, we explore what it really means to be whole. Abby and Katie share their personal journeys with wholeness, how their definitions have changed over time, how those journeys have shaped them, and how they continue to be shaped as they lean in.

we talk about the space that needs to be created in order to truly see ourselves and recognize the many ways the Lord is moving within us. Wholeness isn’t something you arrive at, it’s a continual process of surrender, growth, and transformation. it’s about learning to pivot, to stay open, and to allow the Lord to fully transform every area of our lives.

we don’t have all the answers, but we’re learning as we go, and we’re excited to share this space with you. let’s dive in.

reflection question: where are you demanding wholeness from yourself instead of allowing formation?

feb. 2, 2026

this episode is a beginning... not a polished one, but an honest one.

in our very first conversation, we share the heart behind the whole mess: why we felt called to start this podcast, why curiosity has mattered more to us than certainty, and why faith has often looked less like solid ground and more like stepping onto moving water.

we talk about our open-handed “yes” and invite you to join us in learning to trust Him in the deep. a little bit chaotic and a whole lot messy, this episode is an open invitation into our faith and health journeys.

if you’re standing at the edge of something new — unsure, hopeful, and a little scared — you’re not alone. we’re stepping out there too.

jan. 19, 2026