Todd Barkley of Barkley Ranch in Southeast Montana joins us to share his journey as a fourth-generation rancher balancing education, cattle, and regenerative practices. Todd talks about building his cow herd through AI, crossbreeding with Herefords, and now introducing Galloway genetics for winter hardiness and fly resistance. He also dives deep into cover crops, soil health, and the powerful role of epigenetics in shaping cattle for the environment. A major highlight is his firsthand experience with Gallagher’s eShepherd virtual fencing system and how it’s changing the way he manages pastures and labor on his ranch.

We cover topics including:

• Todd’s return to ranching after pursuing a teaching degree
• How CRP programs shaped his family’s operation
• Building his cow herd with Angus, Hereford, and now Galloway genetics
• Challenges of managing cattle in a 9–12 inch rainfall environment
• The role of cover crops and organic matter in regenerative systems
• Why epigenetics matters in cattle selection
• Using eShepherd virtual fencing for labor savings and improved grazing management
• Balancing innovation with practical ranching realities

This episode is a must-listen for anyone curious about how virtual fencing works on a real ranch, or for producers considering breed selection to better match cattle to their environment. Todd’s perspective shows how combining tradition, experimentation, and technology can strengthen both the land and the herd.

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In this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, Cal visits with Wyatt Jones of Happy Meadow Farm in Pisgah, Alabama. Wyatt shares his family’s journey from military life to building a thriving grass-based farm, raising beef and dairy cattle, Katahdin sheep, and poultry. Starting in 2021, Wyatt and his wife dove headfirst into regenerative agriculture, learning through mentors, books, and hands-on trial and error. Their story is full of determination, grit, and a willingness to embrace challenges in pursuit of a farming life.

Topics covered include:

• Starting Happy Meadow Farm with limited experience but big vision
• Buying land at auction and the unexpected blessings that came with it
• Early challenges with fencing, livestock health, and learning to rotate animals
• Using blueberries and eggs as initial cash crops to build community connections
• Transitioning from Longhorns and Corriente cattle into South Polls and eventually Fleckvieh
• Experiences with sheep, including parasite management and copper issues
• Expanding into raw milk sales through herd shares and building a loyal customer base
• Wyatt’s shift from the fire department to full-time farming
• The potential of Fleckvieh dairy cattle for grass-based systems
• Planting diverse forages and cover crops to support livestock health and productivity

This episode is perfect for anyone starting their regenerative journey, especially those considering multi-species grazing or exploring dairy opportunities beyond Jerseys. Wyatt’s story highlights the power of persistence, community support, and the courage to “just start.”

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• For the Love of Soil by Nicole Masters
• Grass Productivity by André Voisin
• Dairy Farming the Beautiful Way by Adam Klaus
• Happy Meadow Farm on Facebook

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• (00:00) - Introduction and Fast Five Questions
• (00:59) - Welcome to the Grazing Grass Podcast
• (01:33) - MarketSMART Ranching Course Announcement
• (02:25) - Personal Celebration and Family Milestones
• (03:27) - Wyatt's Journey to Farming
• (07:02) - Starting the Farm and Acquiring Land
• (12:49) - First Livestock and Initial Challenges
• (24:57) - Expanding the Farm and Community Engagement
• (41:36) - Transition to Dairy Farming
• (45:36) - The Milking Disaster
• (47:30) - Getting a Milking Machine
• (49:27) - The Emotional Attachment to Dairy Cows
• (52:05) - Exploring Different Dairy Breeds
• (54:49) - The Fleckvieh Fascination
• (58:06) - Managing the Dairy Farm
• (01:08:23) - Marketing Raw Milk
• (01:09:56) - Transition to Full-Time Farming
• (01:13:52) - Famous Four Questions
• (01:24:35) - Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser

In this episode, Hobbs Magaret, author of Herd: Animals That Gave Rise to Humanity and Why We Need Them More Than Ever, joins Cal for a deep, thought-provoking conversation about grazing, ecology, and shifting our perspectives on livestock production. Hobbs shares his journey from ranching in Oregon to working on massive cattle stations in Australia, blending personal experience with philosophical insights. The discussion explores high density grazing, the role of herd animals in human history, how to market regenerative beef, and the radical idea of viewing beef as a waste product rather than the main goal. Along the way, Hobbs touches on corporate politics, ecological ideals, genetic selection for fertility, and the lessons learned from managing vastly different environments.

Topics Covered

• Hobbs Magaret’s background and ranching journey in the U.S. and Australia
• The origins of his interest in high density grazing (influences from Allan Savory and Johann Zietsman)
• Moving from a protein-production mindset to an ecological-function mindset
• The concept of beef as a waste product instead of a byproduct
• Lessons learned from grazing in Oregon vs. Texas vs. Northern Australia
• Managing corporate politics while implementing ecological changes
• Performance art and visibility in agriculture marketing
• Using social media (TikTok & Instagram) to grow influence and sell beef
• The role of hindgut fermenters in ecosystems and simulating their function with ruminants
• Genetic adaptation and breed considerations for different environments
• The importance of fertility as the key livestock selection criterion
• Marketing strategies and the value of storytelling in agriculture

If you’re interested in the future of regenerative ranching, this episode will challenge your assumptions and spark new ideas. Hobbs brings a rare combination of large-scale experience, ecological philosophy, and practical know-how. Whether you’re grazing a few acres or managing thousands, his insights into livestock genetics, grazing strategy, and the deeper purpose of ruminants will help you think differently about your land, your herd, and your role as a steward.

Resources Mentioned

• Herd: Animals That Gave Rise to Humanity and Why We Need Them More Than Ever by Hobbs Magaret
• Allan Savory’s work and holistic management principles
• Man, Cattle and Veld by Johann Zietsman
• How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie

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• (00:00) - Introduction and Fast Five Questions
• (00:52) - Career Journey and Ranching Experience
• (09:57) - High Density Grazing and Ecological Insights
• (30:53) - Marketing and Social Media Success
• (32:23) - Writing the Book and Philosophical Reflections
• (45:49) - The Central Thesis: Ecologically Aligned Beef
• (46:46) - Controversial Insights on American Cattle Industry
• (48:07) - Historical Context and Ecological Impact
• (49:53) - The Paradigm Shift: Profitability vs. Sustainability
• (01:01:14) - Genetics and Fertility in Cattle Breeding
• (01:02:11) - Ecological Adaptation and Market Realities
• (01:05:36) - Global Perspectives on Cattle Breeding
• (01:17:44) - The Role of Hindgut Fermenters in Grazing Systems
• (01:20:01) - Final Thoughts and Reflections

In this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, Cal visits with Jaime Elizondo, known as Jim in the United States, to explore his Total Grazing Program. This is a comprehensive approach to regenerative ranching focused on lowering costs, improving soil, and increasing livestock performance. With decades of experience managing cattle in Mexico and the U.S., Jim shares his path from red cattle in the tropics to creating a composite breed suited for harsh environments. He breaks down the importance of African Bos taurus genetics, how to build soil carbon, and the strategies behind stockpiling and grazing timing. Listeners will come away with a deeper understanding of how to manage grazing with nature, not against it.

In this episode, you’ll hear about:

• Jim’s story from Mexico to Texas and the foundation of his farm, Las Coloradas
• His evolution from red cattle to developing an adapted composite breed
• The significance of African Bos taurus genetics in hot, humid, and disease-prone environments
• What the Total Grazing Program is and how it differs from ultra high-density grazing
• How to build long-lived soil carbon and why it matters
• Stockpiling strategies for winter and how to boost soil and forage health
• Monitoring livestock performance with gut fill and body condition
• The role of coaching and mentorship in successful grazing operations
• Applying these grazing principles to cattle, sheep, and goats

If you're interested in cutting input costs, improving soil, and raising animals that thrive in your environment, this episode delivers a practical and proven system. Jim offers clear guidance based on firsthand experience. Whether you're on a small farm or a large ranch, his insights can help you improve your land and your bottom line.

Resources Mentioned:

• Grass Productivity by André Voisin
• Man Must Measure by Jan Bonsma
• A Sand County Almanac by Aldo Leopold
• The Forage Book by Hutchinson and Metcalf
• Jim’s paper “Soil Carbon” (available on his website)

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Joel shares his inspiring journey from business economics and tech startups to building a fast-growing regenerative ranch. He explains how he used herd shares and ultra high density grazing to expand from a small herd to nearly 500 cows in just a few years. Along the way, he discusses developing hardy genetics, navigating serious labor shortages, and creating a supportive network of investors and mentors. Joel blends economics, history, faith, and land stewardship into a powerful vision for the future of ranching.

Topics Covered:

• Launching a ranch with zero capital through herd share partnerships
• Choosing Oklahoma for its climate challenges and opportunities
• Lessons from tech and startup life that apply to ranching
• Ultra high density grazing and how it multiplies carrying capacity
• Genetic selection for cattle that thrive without inputs
• Using community and social capital to scale
• The hidden economics behind modern ranch failure
• Advice for young or aspiring regenerative ranchers

Why You Should Listen:

This episode offers a rare look into what it takes to build a large-scale regenerative operation from the ground up. Joel is not only focused on grazing methods but also on solving the deeper economic, cultural, and logistical problems facing ranchers today. His practical strategies and vision for the future will resonate with anyone serious about making a living on the land.

Resources Mentioned:

• Smoke River Ranch
• Book: Man, Cattle & the Grass by Johann Zietsman
• Joel’s handle: @untappedgrowth on X/Twitter

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• (00:00) - Introduction and Fast Five Questions
• (00:21) - Challenges in Labor and Livestock Management
• (02:30) - Labor Issues and Solutions
• (07:38) - Podcast Introduction and Sponsor Message
• (09:20) - Farm Updates and Podcast Announcements
• (12:30) - Joel's Journey into Farming
• (12:49) - Health Crisis and Nutritional Discoveries
• (16:20) - Educational Background and Career Path
• (18:50) - Starting the Ranch and Bitcoin Investment
• (27:05) - Scaling the Ranch and Herd Share Program
• (39:24) - Challenges and Strategies in Modern Ranching
• (49:37) - The Impact of Historical Agricultural Practices
• (50:03) - The Evolution of American Agriculture
• (51:07) - Challenges and Innovations in Modern Ranching
• (51:48) - The Herd Share Arrangement
• (53:06) - Ultra High Density Grazing
• (55:07) - Building a Supportive Ranching Community
• (56:15) - The Importance of Hardy Cattle Breeds
• (01:07:46) - Scaling and Adapting to High Density Grazing
• (01:14:44) - Future Innovations and Tools for Ranching
• (01:18:29) - Famous Four Questions
• (01:34:31) - Conclusion and Final Thoughts

In this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, Cal visits with Natalie Hancock of Olde Oak Glen, located near Perkins–Tryon, Oklahoma. Natalie shares her unique journey from the mountains of Greece to raising one of the rarest and most flavorful heritage pigs—Mangalitsa—on 60 forested acres. What began as a love for animals, particularly horses, turned into a passion for pigs after rescuing a potbelly. Now, Natalie is one of the largest Mangalitsa breeders in Oklahoma, producing high-quality pork and skin care products while embracing regenerative and ethical farming practices.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• How Natalie got started with pigs and why she chose Mangalitsa
• Characteristics and history of the Mangalitsa breed
• The challenges and rewards of raising slow-growing, heritage pigs
• Pasture-based management and natural farrowing practices
• What makes Mangalitsa pork (and its fat!) so different and nutritious
• How Natalie markets her pork through farmers markets and snack sticks
• Creative uses of lard for skincare and baking
• Feeding practices, mineral use, and maintaining herd health
• The importance of educating consumers and building a direct market

If you’ve ever been curious about heritage pigs or want to learn from someone doing things a bit differently—and deliciously—this is a can’t-miss conversation. Natalie’s commitment to flavor, animal welfare, and sustainable practices shines through every part of her story.

Resources Mentioned:

• Olde Oak Glen (Natalie's farm)
• Edmond Farmers Market
• Ralph’s Processing for private label snack sticks

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In this episode, Cal sits down with Daniel and Mandie Stallings of Perch & Pasture in Waverly Hall, Georgia. This husband-and-wife team share their powerful story of transitioning from military life to full-time regenerative farming. Sparked by personal health challenges and a passion for nutrient-dense food, they’ve built a diversified farm enterprise that includes raw dairy, beef, pork, poultry, and small ruminants. The Stallings discuss their commercial homestead model, raw milk production, rotational grazing systems, and how they've made their farm accessible and resilient—even during medical setbacks.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• The Stallings’ health-driven journey into farming
• Managing a multi-species farm with dairy cows, goats, pigs, and poultry
• Their transition from military to farming and its mental/emotional impact
• Raw milk licensing in Georgia and working with the Raw Milk Institute
• Why they left Nigerian Dwarf goats behind for Nubians
• Developing resilient systems for a small family farm
• The role of education, transparency, and community in their operation
• Their work with veterans and the SkillBridge program

Whether you're a beginning farmer, a homesteader, or a veteran looking for your next chapter, this episode is full of practical insight and inspiration. Daniel and Mandie show how purpose, adaptability, and thoughtful planning can turn land into a lifeline—and a legacy.

Resources & Mentions:

• Perch & Pasture
• Reverence Farms
• Raw Milk Institute (RAWMI)
• SkillBridge Program for Veterans
• Justin Rhodes & Joel Salatin (mentioned as learning influences)

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In this episode of the Grazing Grass Podcast, we hear from Marque Renshaw of Peace in the Valley Farms in West Plains, Missouri. Marque shares her journey into rotational grazing and the lessons she and her husband Ryan have learned transitioning their operation to focus on sheep. From challenging beginnings—managing animals post-house fire and learning by doing with sale barn ewes—to building a resilient and thoughtful grazing system, Marque's story is both raw and inspiring. Her passion for helping others shines through, especially in her efforts to foster a positive online community and mentor other graziers.

Topics Covered

• Transitioning from horses and cattle to a sheep-focused operation
• Mistakes and hard lessons from buying sale barn sheep
• Learning what true rotational grazing is (and what it isn’t)
• How a house fire catalyzed a new farming chapter
• The importance of fencing and learning to love hotwire
• Finding and building a relationship with a sheep-savvy vet
• Daily grazing rotations and pasture management
• Building supportive and judgment-free communities for graziers
• Educating oneself through podcasts, grazing schools, and mentorship
• The role of women and generational legacy in agriculture

Why You Should Listen
If you're managing sheep or considering them for your operation, Marque's journey is full of relatable struggles, practical insights, and hard-earned wisdom. Her transparency about missteps and breakthroughs offers a refreshing and motivating perspective—especially if you're navigating your first years in regenerative grazing.

Resources Mentioned

• Peace in the Valley Farms
• Grazing Grass Community (Facebook)
• Grazing Sheep podcast (with Tom and Cam)
• Vet Caitlyn from Gainesville, Missouri

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