HR doesn’t struggle with not having enough data - we’ve got tons of it. Engagement scores, churn and absenteeism rates, performance ratings, DEI metrics - the works. But can we honestly say we’re brilliant at using that data to drive our people strategies? The answer is probably, “not yet.” So, this episode explores how we can get better at turning data into real insight and how that insight can help us build more trust, better performance, and stronger cultures. Lucy is joined by Jenny Deaborn who’s spent her career helping organisations do exactly that. Her new book, The Insight-Driven Leader, is a practical roadmap for HR teams and leaders who want to make analytics genuinely useful and human.

Drawing on over 100 one-to-one interviews with CEOs, CHROs and board members, Jenny explains why the best organisations aren’t using “magic” HR metrics – they’re just using familiar ones with far more rigour. She unpacks why “regrettable attrition of top performers in critical roles” beats a single company-wide turnover number every time, how to define “top performer” and “critical role” with real fidelity, and why every good HR metric should be in service of a small handful of measures the board genuinely cares about.

They then dig into what it really means to be an insight-driven leader rather than just “data-informed”: connecting people data with customer metrics to show where revenue, risk and growth are truly sitting in your workforce. Jenny shares practical examples of using AI to join up disparate data sources, warning that technology is no longer the barrier – mindset and culture are.

Chapters

02:15 – Jenny’s story: neurodiversity, quotas and the credibility that comes with numbers

08:35 – Business-first HR: the tiny set of people metrics CEOs and boards really care about

16:50 – From data-informed to insight-driven: joining HR, CRM and ERP data (and where AI helps)

25:20 – Is your culture ready for analytics? Plus practical first steps for aspiring insight-driven CHROs

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Lucy and Karen get honest about one of HR’s toughest challenges: helping leaders and managers actually change how they behave. Drawing on their own “humiliations” as former HR Directors, they unpack why influencing senior leaders can feel so hard – from fear of getting it wrong, to loss of status, to simple overload – and introduce four familiar resistance types: the Defiant, the Intellectual, the Busy Operator and the Reluctant.

They share ten practical ways to shift behaviour without a 50-slide deck. You’ll hear how to start with sharp, leader-focused questions instead of programmes, use commercial numbers to earn attention, set clear people outcomes rather than more process, offer genuine choice, and make change feel tiny and doable through simple nudges. They also explore how to swap “HR as trainer” for peer-to-peer learning, use more human language, and tailor your message to different decision-making styles – from fast-moving Drivers to cautious “steady hands”.

Finally, Lucy and Karen show how to stop pouring energy into the hardest resistors and instead “go with the energy” – working first with early adopters, then using their success to win over results-focused pragmatists.

• 00:03 – Setting the scene: Why influencing leaders feels so hard for HR
• 03:31 – Four types of resistance: Defiant, Intellectual, Busy and Reluctant
• 08:48 – Ten practical tips: Questions, data and focusing on outcomes
• 16:35 – Making it easy: Choice, tiny nudges and peer-to-peer learning
• 28:23 – Personas, packaging and next steps: Olivia, Jessica, Michael and a simple plan for your next leader conversation

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One of the biggest challenges facing HR is the perennial challenge of leadership capability. Despite years of investment in programmes, frameworks, and workshops, many organisations still struggle to see real behavioural change. The world around us is moving faster, the expectations on leaders are higher, and yet our development approaches can still feel generic, theoretical, and removed from the realities of day-to-day work.

But what if technology - and specifically, AI - could help us do it differently? Instead of a one-size-fits-all course, what if every manager could have a personalised coach in their pocket that gives them real-time, practical guidance in the moment they need it most? To explore the benefits and risks of AI coaching, Lucy is joined by Anand Chopra-McGowan, Managing Director, Europe at Valence.

Anand explains how Nadia, Valence’s AI coach, learns your context (company principles, programmes, your team) and supports both the “small moments” such as a tricky feedback chat, and the “big moments” like onboarding and performance reviews. He shares a live example of using Nadia minutes before a meeting, why perfect memory beats good intentions, and how the tool integrates where managers already are .

We dig into trust and ethics, what data Nadia uses, and how clients are measuring value - from time saved on reviews to uplift in leadership effectiveness scores and store-level customer outcomes. Anand’s deployment advice is refreshingly practical: point the coach at high-friction moments in your HR calendar, customise to your ways of working, and use early wins to convert sceptics.

00:29 — Why traditional leadership development stalls 10:22 — What Nadia is and how it works (with an in-the-moment example at 12:12) 14:47 — Ethics, data, and measuring impact (ROI examples from 19:23) 23:01 — How to deploy AI coaching and bring sceptical managers with you

Discover more about Disruptive HR

• Find out more about Disruptive HR: www.disruptivehr.com
• Get in touch: hello@disruptivehr.com
• Check out The Disruptive HR Club: https://disruptivehr.com/the-club/

Contact Anand: https://www.linkedin.com/in/achopramcgowan/