In this conversation, Christ talks with Chris Hsiung, a former police chief and current executive director of The Curve, a nonprofit focused on modernizing policing culture. They discuss Hsiung's extensive background in law enforcement, the evolution of leadership styles, the importance of self-awareness, and the need for cultural shifts within police departments. They also address the challenges of wellness programs in law enforcement and the significance of effective communication. Hsiung emphasizes the need for leaders to be available and vulnerable, and the importance of learning from other industries to improve policing practices.

In this conversation, Chris and Rich delve into the complexities of mental health within public safety, emphasizing the importance of trust, peer support, and proactive strategies. They discuss the challenges faced by individuals in crisis, the stigma surrounding mental health, and the need for a supportive culture that encourages open dialogue. Rich shares his experiences and insights on navigating the mental health landscape, highlighting the significance of self-awareness and continuous growth. The conversation concludes with a call to action for creating a more compassionate and understanding environment in public safety agencies.

In this episode, Chris interviews James Espinoza, CEO of American Freedom Consulting, who shares his personal journey through grief and trauma after losing his brother to suicide. They discuss the importance of mental wellness, the five pillars of wellness, and the challenges faced by veterans and first responders in navigating their careers and mental health. James emphasizes the need for supportive leadership and the importance of addressing mental health issues within law enforcement. The conversation highlights the significance of mentorship, advocacy, and the need for a cultural shift in how mental health is perceived in the first responder community.