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Clever with Amy Devers

Clever with Amy Devers

By: Amy Devers
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Clever is an award-winning, independent podcast that offers a window into the humanity behind the design of the world around us.

In each episode, designer Amy Devers has candid and revealing conversations with the visionaries, culture-makers, and creative forces who shape our world and inform our society. Through a disarming mix of raw candor and honest shop-talk, Clever peels back the layers to unearth the gritty, authentic and sometimes surprising details of their creative paths.


Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy.


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Episodes
  • Ep. 227: Designer Cas Holman is Giving Us All Permission to Play

    Ep. 227: Designer Cas Holman is Giving Us All Permission to Play
    Sep 23 2025
    Cas Holman grew up playing make-believe in the woods and helping her mechanic step-dad fix cars and dune buggies. Always knowing that she didn’t check the stereotypical gender boxes, she never gave any of the other arbitrary “boxes” much credit either, instead preferring to focus on the outside-the-box possibilities that could be accessed through play, curiosity, and exploration. While getting her MFA, she began working on Geemo, a building toy, which kicked-off her life’s mission of designing for play. Since then, she’s established herself as a champion of open-ended play, designing notable play systems like Rigamajig. She’s worked with global business leaders to incorporate play into company culture, leading to more innovative outcomes, greater trust and safety, and improved resilience. With her upcoming book, Playful, she is on a campaign to help adults reconnect with play throughout their lives because she knows, and has the research and science to prove it, that with play we ALL become more creative, joyful, and productive. Ain’t that good news!Images and more from Cas Holman on our website!Special thanks to our sponsor:Wix Studio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale.Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app!SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alertsVISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodesSAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydeversSpecial thanks to our sponsors!Wix Studio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale.Saily: get an exclusive 15% discount on Saily data plans! Use code “clever” at checkout. Download Saily app or go to https://saily.com/cleverCozy Earth: head to cozyearth.com/pages/clever to get 40% off!Incogni: Clever listeners can claim a special offer of 60% off at incogni.com/clever Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    58 mins
  • Ep. 226: Neuroaesthetics Pioneer Suchi Reddy on How Form Follows Feeling

    Ep. 226: Neuroaesthetics Pioneer Suchi Reddy on How Form Follows Feeling
    Sep 9 2025

    Architect, artist, and designer, Suchi Reddy, grew up in India where her home played a critical role in her appreciation of how environments shape our experiences. Now, at the helm of her architecture firm + design studio, Reddymade, she’s built a body of work spanning residential, large-scale commercial environments, and immersive interactive public art installations. As a leader in the practice of neuroaesthetics, a neuroscientific study of the impact of art and aesthetics on brain and body, all her work follows her guiding philosophy: “form follows feeling.”

    Integrating neuroaesthetics into her architecture and design work is an ongoing endeavor in the art of making the invisible visible, as in the physiological responses to spaces or the sounds plants emit in response to stress, and pushing the boundaries of of how we can use design to create spaces that truly nurture our wellbeing.


    Images and more from Suchi Reddy on our website!


    Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.


    SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app!

    SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts

    VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes

    SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers


    Special thanks to our sponsors!

    • Wix Studio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale.
    • Saily: get an exclusive 15% discount on Saily data plans! Use code “clever” at checkout. Download Saily app or go to https://saily.com/clever
    • Cozy Earth: head to cozyearth.com/pages/clever to get 40% off!
    • Incogni: Clever listeners can claim a special offer of 60% off at incogni.com/clever

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    1 hr
  • Ep. 225: Norman Teague on Cultural Storytelling Through Design

    Ep. 225: Norman Teague on Cultural Storytelling Through Design
    Aug 26 2025

    Designer, craftsman, artist and educator, Norman Teague, grew up in Chicago absorbing the sounds, colors, textures and vibes of his “hood,” fancy cars, and Auntie Aretha’s painting. A highschool Drafting elective was his first real step into the design field, which he then traversed with aplomb through an MFA at SAIC, to the Venice Architecture Biennale, to MoMA, to the design team of the Obama Presidential Center. At the helm of his namesake design studio, he’s built a storied, critically acclaimed career, and a powerful legacy of challenging the design canon, cultural storytelling, and educating generations of future designers.


    Images and more from Norman Teague on our website!


    Clever is hosted & produced by Amy Devers, with editing by Mark Zurawinski, production assistance from Ilana Nevins and Anouchka Stephan, and music by El Ten Eleven.


    SUBSCRIBE - listen to Clever on any podcast app!

    SIGN UP - for our Substack for news, bonus content, new episode alerts

    VISIT - cleverpodcast.com for transcripts, images, and 200+ more episodes

    SAY HI! - on Instagram & LinkedIn @cleverpodcast @amydevers


    Special thanks to our sponsors!

    • Wix Studio is a platform built for all web creators to design, develop, and manage exceptional web projects at scale.
    • Saily: get an exclusive 15% discount on Saily data plans! Use code “clever” at checkout. Download Saily app or go to https://saily.com/clever
    • Cozy Earth: head to cozyearth.com/pages/clever to get 40% off!
    • Incogni: Clever listeners can claim a special offer of 60% off at incogni.com/clever

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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    58 mins
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