This is a tale of two sisters, Karen and Debra. Karen, loving, responsible, well-liked by all who know her. Karen lived with and cared for her parents until they lost their battles with Alzheimer's and cancer. Karen also had taken care of her finances and was financially well-off for retirement. Debra was gone for decades, living several states away in Louisiana. Debra never held a steady job and never had any money. When their parents died, Debra moved back to Florida, with no money and no place to stay, and Karen let her sister move into her home. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack dig into the story of how the evil sister murdered the good sister with a bullet to the chest, wrapped her body in a trash bag, and buried her in a hole in the backyard.

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00:00.15 Introduction

02:10.97 Victim loves working in her yard

05:06.55 Two sisters, Karen and Debra

08:25.53 Debra comes back after parents die

12:14.34 Perp keeping victim close after death

16:55.11 Seeing a hole in the yard

20:57.88 Odor of decomposing body

25:33.91 Bad smell doesn't mean something is there

29:48.57 Very careful digging to not miss anything

35:07.70 Everything goes to the lab

40:27.15 Karen has one GSW to the chest

44:43.54 Debra claims she is "blameless"

45:28.45 Conclusion

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Part 2: The Nancy Guthrie kidnapping case has sparked national interest as the days continue to add up. As of today, Nancy Guthrie has been missing 25 days. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack look at the forensic evidence left behind inside the house as well as articles of evidence found by local citizens trying to help find the 84-year-old mother of Today Show Co-Host, Savannah Guthrie.

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00:00.07 Introduction Guthrie Part 2

02:22.10 DNA Profile didn't get hit in CODIS

07:43.42 DNA Profile in feces in a dry toilet

11:31.21 Getting a sample

15:53.69 What is "touch" DNA

20:07.83 Trying to understand movements of suspect and victim

24:58.58 Too many people involved

30:46.46 Tucson Couple finds bloody glove near scene

35:18.30 FBI did not respond as quickly as hoped

40:08.54 Reason agents leak talent contract terms

41:19.73 Conclusion

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The 84-year-old mother of Today Show host Savannah Guthrie, Nancy Guthrie, was last seen January 31, 2026 around 9:47pm. The next day around noon, Nancy Guthrie is reported missing. More than three weeks later she is still missing. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack explore the forensic evidence left behind and how it has been treated by officials on the ground in an attempt to uncover the one piece of evidence that will bring Nancy Guthrie home.

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00:02.33 Introduction - Security

01:07.26 Securing a Crime Scene

03:59.01 Nancy Guthrie - Why her?

08:44.60 Sheriff's department turned scene released back to the family

13:57.53 Comparing Heuermann home

19:46.55 Blood on the ground

25:08.12 Direction blood takes investigator

29:53.66 Blood with a bubble like appearance

35:02.04 2:28am at least 20 feet away from Apple watch

40:18.20 Foot step making impression on floor

45:30.29 How often is Guthrie home cleaned?

47:41.59 Conclusion Part One

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The Elmira Police Department named Alfred Raymond Murray Jr. as the lone suspect in the 1964 murder of 12-year-old Mary Simpson.

The case remained unsolved for 62 years, but it was never forgotten. After getting a grant from the Season of Justice in 2022, Elmira police, with the assistance of the FBI, reopened the case using modern forensic methods.

In 2023, the Elmira Police Department partnered with the Criminal Investigation Resource Center at Russell Sage College, and the case was organized and digitized, allowing for a review of evidence and forensics.

Forensic evidence from the case was sent to Othram's laboratory in the Woodlands, Texas, where scientists were able to build a comprehensive DNA profile of the unknown suspect.

The profile was used by the FBI's forensic genetic genealogy team, and working together with the Elmira Police Department, investigators found the suspect, Alfred Raymond Murray Jr.

Murray died on March 16, 2004, at the age of 73, almost 40 years to the day. Mary Simpson vanished on March 15, 1964. She was 12.

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00:00.00 Introduction Update Mary Simpson

05:12.41 Finding identity of killer

10:00.17 A rookie cop in 1964 would be in his/her 80s now

15:00.91 Community was looking for Mary Simpson, 12

20:03.67 Killer shoved dirt in Mary's mouth

25:04.15 Predator will stand over victim

30:40.23 Othram did genetic genealogy

31:37.91 Murray may have been responsible for multiple sexual assaults on children for years

34:57.02 Mary's body covered in rocks and dirt, choked to death

37:02.08 Conclusion

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The King County Medical Examiner's Office ruled Kurt Cobain's death on April 5, 1994, was the result of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head. In the last 30 plus years many theories of what "really" happened have appeared in books and documentaries but now comes a team of independent forensic scientists who are calling for a fresh investigation into the death of the 27-year-old. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the investigation into the death of Kurt Cobain, was it self-inflicted as originally thought, or did someone get away with murder.

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00:00.00 Introduction

01:54.87 Kurt Cobain death - study claims homicide

07:15.49 Grunge movement

10:06.79 The 27 Club

15:05.10 Working the Guthrie Kidnapping

20:16.32 Cobain had recent NPW

24:56.30 Drug abuse deaths are shocking

30:27.27 Cobain is in garage apartment, by himself

35:10.51 Checking mouth during autopsy - evidence of fouling, no stippling

40:17.50 Tolerance of the user is part of the discussion

45:27.40 Study is peer reviewed - International Journal of Forensic Science

50:08.25 Lungs become very heavy

53:57.93 Conclusion

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More information has been dropped on the Jeffrey Epstein files and two things are taking center stage: 1. The autopsy and 2. New Mexico Ranch. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss the autopsy and the ranch in New Mexico. Professor Morgan explains what happens when an autopsy is being observed by another professional such as Dr Michael Baden and what the "facts" determined during the autopsy mean regarding homicide or suicide.

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00:00.00 Introduction Epstein

03:07.94 More info keeps dropping

07:12.66 New focus on New Mexico ranch

12:20.59 Epstein worth $577 million

17:15.13 Michael Baden an observer at Epstein autopsy

22:55.99 Baden would have been taking notes

28:04.65 Epstein death more consistent with homicide

34:24.21 The furrow is very high on the neck

39:31.13 Impact injury below shoulder

43:49.58 After Autopsy it was agreed more info was needed

48:02.68 Conclusion

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On July 17, at 5:13 a.m., Molly Hubbard called 911 to report a man on fire in the street.

During the 911 call, a man can be heard in the background moaning while Hubbard shouts at him to "drop and roll."

Then, the line disconnected.

Police and EMS arrive on the scene and find Ryan Crawford suffering from severe burns to his face, arms, legs, and backside.

Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack examine the story told to 911. and the story told by the forensics to explain why Molly Hubbard was arrested and charged with murder.

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00:05.21 Introduction - Wichita

04:02.49 Death in the middle of a theft

09:05.35 May have given Crawford something to calm him down

14:42.20 Molly Hubbard left scene

20:03.02 Death with fire is complex

25:16.54 Electrocution victim, one small point of entry

30:26.37 Story lacks credibility

35:34.81 Degree of burns

40:21.14 Burn victims body swell, requires splitting

45:14.94 Molly Hubbard sold scrap metal while cohort in hospital

47:02.26 Conclusion

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Leela Livis, 32, dies after having Thanksgiving dinner with her mom. Her sister, Mia Lacey, and Mia's boyfriend, Richard Pegg, hospitalized but survive. It wasn't bad turkey, it was Bad Mom. Gudrun Linda Jean Casper-Leinenkugel, 52, charged with first degree murder in the death of daughter Leela, and two counts of attempted murder of Mia and Richard. Joseph Scott Morgan and Dave Mack discuss how the matriarch of the family conducted internet searches for "what happens if I accidentally ingest acetronile?" and "does wine turn into cyanide?" Joe Scott explains how the poison investigation also caused the 2007 death of Michael Schmidt to be re-examined, turns out Schmidt might not have died in a house fire, it looks like he was poisoned by "Bad Mom" as well.

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00:00.28 Introduction Thanksgiving

04:51.38 Murder and attempted murder at Thanksgiving

09:58.33 Cyanide poisoning

14:52.42 Industrial solvent, turns to cyanide when ingested

20:09.64 Poisoning everyone in the house

25:16.95 Tox screen

30:00.16 Was one person the target?

35:17.36 Killing your own child

40:31.69 Conclusion

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