Ep 2. When Church Feels Like a Corporation | From Hurting Staff Culture to Healing Leadership

What happens when ministry starts to feel more like climbing the corporate ladder than following Jesus?

In this episode of Beyond the Numbers, we dive deep into the painful reality of toxic church staff culture—where metrics matter more than people, overwork is normalized, and staff are burned out, micromanaged, or just surviving.

We’ll explore:

• The difference between professional excellence and corporate coldness

• How branding, hustle, and inaccessibility can replace spiritual health

• What a healing, healthy leadership culture can actually look like

• Practical steps for pastors, staff, and congregants to shift the atmosphere

If you've ever felt unseen, overworked, or unsure whether what you're experiencing is "normal," this episode will bring both clarity and hope.

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Christmas has always been my favorite time of year — the lights, the nostalgia, the warmth.

But there was one Christmas where I completely missed Jesus.

Not because I didn’t love Him…

But because I was too busy doing things for Him to actually be with Him.

If you’re a pastor, leader, or volunteer who’s exhausted by Christmas services, productions, or ministry demands — this episode is for you.

We’ll explore:

✨ Why so many ministry leaders “miss” Jesus during Christmas

✨ What Bethlehem teaches us about spiritual busyness

✨ How to refocus your heart and rediscover peace this season

✨ What healthy, restful ministry looks like at Christmas

Don’t rush through this season. Don’t miss Jesus.

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In this special wrap-up episode of Beyond the Numbers, I bring together three experienced ministry leaders — Katelyn, Ed, and Taylor — to answer the big question: What does a healthy church look like when you’re not just measuring attendance or revenue?

With several decades of combined service we unpack:

- How to spot signs of health that don’t show up on a spreadsheet

- What to do when the church culture chases numbers instead of people

- What leadership development looks in different ministry environments

- Building a strong christian community inside and outside of the the building

- The role of genuine relationships, spiritual depth, and volunteer care in real ministry

- Mistakes we’ve seen and how you can avoid them

If you’re a pastor, Next-Gen leader, or ministry team wanting to lead healthier, more sustainable church culture — this is for you.

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Katelyn Miner: https://www.berkshiredreamcenter.org/

Ed Pichetter: https://www.newenglandrevivalcovenant.org/

Taylor Williams: https://www.mosaicchurchevans.org/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-art-of-holiness/id1513040080

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