• #28 AI and Government's Data Dilemma with Jake Dyal, CEO of Certus Core
    Jul 19 2025

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    Scott and Jake Dyal, CEO of Certus Core, discuss the intersection of AI, data integration, and national security. They explore the challenges faced by government agencies in managing and utilizing data, particularly in the context of drone and sensor data. Jake shares insights from his experience transitioning from government service to the private sector, highlighting the bureaucratic hurdles and the need for innovative solutions in government contracting. The conversation also touches on the importance of small bets in defense innovation and the evolving role of the Defense Innovation Unit (DIU).

    takeaways


    • Custom data products are essential for various government missions.
    • Integrating multiple data sources enhances decision-making capabilities.
    • Philosophical foundations can influence data integration technologies.
    • The ATO process is a significant barrier to innovation in government.
    • Startups face numerous challenges in navigating government contracting.
    • The DIU has had mixed success in facilitating innovation.
    • Bureaucratic processes often hinder timely technology adoption.
    • Small bets in defense can lead to significant advancements.
    • Building relationships with trusted partners is crucial for success.


    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction to Certus Core and Its Mission

    03:08
    The Challenge of Data Integration in National Security

    05:59
    Philosophical Foundations of Data Communication

    09:05
    Transitioning from Government to Private Sector

    11:56
    Navigating Bureaucracy in Government Contracting

    15:03
    The Role of Innovation in Defense

    17:48
    Barriers to Effective Government Acquisition

    20:58
    The Future of Defense Technology and Partnerships

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  • #27 Foreign Policy Polling Insights with Alex Tarascio
    Jul 1 2025

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    In this episode of 'At the Water's Edge,' host Scott interviews Alex Tarascio, a pollster from Cygnal, a private GOP polling firm known for its accuracy. They discuss the intricacies of polling, the differences between private and public polling, and the impact of partisanship on polling results. Alex shares insights on current voter sentiment, the role of corporate clients, and the challenges of polling on national security and foreign policy issues. The conversation also touches on the disconnect between military perspectives and public opinion, the future of national security issues in polling, and the importance of political accountability in democracy promotion. As they look ahead to the midterms, they explore key trends and issues that may influence voter behavior.

    Contact the Show: contact@atthewatersedge.org

    Cygnal Polling: https://www.cygn.al/

    Magpie Spice Co: https://www.instagram.com/magpiespice/

    takeaways

    • Polling accuracy has improved significantly since 2016.
    • Private polling firms have different incentives than public ones.
    • Voter sentiment on national security is low, around 5%.
    • Partisanship heavily influences polling results and methodologies.
    • Benchmarking polls serve different purposes than public polls.
    • Corporate clients can impact the type of polling conducted.
    • Young women are becoming disengaged from politics and news.
    • The issue of abortion is losing its significance in voter motivation.
    • Public perception of tariffs is mixed, with many preferring free market solutions.
    • Political accountability is essential for effective democracy promotion.


    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction to Polling and Alex Tarascio

    04:45
    The Evolution of Polling Post-2016

    07:47
    The Impact of Partisanship on Polling

    10:41
    Confidentiality and Trust in Polling

    13:39
    Public vs. Private Polling Approaches

    16:35
    National Voter Trends and Current Polling Insights

    19:33
    Sampling and Its Importance in Polling

    22:37
    Corporate Clients and Political Affiliations

    25:39
    Trump's Favorability and Public Perception

    28:36
    Tariffs and Public Opinion

    30:35
    Understanding Partisan Dynamics in Polling

    32:42
    The Impact of Tariffs on Public Opinion

    34:47
    National Security and Foreign Policy in Polling

    38:07
    Public Sentiment on Foreign Policy Issues

    41:02
    The Shift in American Foreign Policy Perspectives

    44:01
    The Role of Political Diversity in Democracy Promotion

    49:20
    Challenges in U.S. Foreign Assistance Programs

    53:12
    Polling Insights for Upcoming Elections

    01:01:29
    Engaging with Signal's Work and Personal Projects


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  • #26 Trump's National Security Strategy with Jahara Matisek (PhD)
    Jun 16 2025

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    In this episode, Scott and Dr. Jahara 'FRANKY' Matisek discuss the current state of global conflicts, particularly focusing on the dynamics between Israel and Iran, and the tensions between Pakistan and India. They delve into Trump's national security strategy, exploring its foundations and implications, including a modern interpretation of the Monroe Doctrine. The conversation also highlights the role of Security Force Assistance Brigades (SFABs) in U.S. military strategy, the impact of sanctions on Russia, and the shifting landscape of U.S. global leadership. The discussion culminates in reflections on the need for accountability and a coherent grand strategy in national security policy.

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    takeaways

    • Trump's national security strategy is often seen as a symptom of broader issues rather than the root cause.
    • Sanctions can have a delayed effect, impacting economies over time despite immediate appearances.
    • The U.S. is perceived as breaking the international order, which could have long-term consequences.
    • A coherent grand strategy is essential for effective national security policy.
    • Accountability in the national security establishment is lacking, leading to a disconnect with the public.
    • The Monroe Doctrine is being reinterpreted to address modern challenges, particularly with China.
    • SFABs play a crucial role in enhancing military strategy and interoperability with allies.
    • America's soft power is diminishing, affecting its global standing.
    • The national security establishment is facing challenges in adapting to new political realities.
    • Trump's foreign policy reflects a unique approach that diverges from traditional strategies.


    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction and Background of the Guest

    05:22
    Trump's National Security Strategy Overview

    08:30
    The Monroe Doctrine and Its Modern Implications

    11:38
    Shifts in Military Strategy and Resources

    14:30
    The Role of SFABs in Modern Warfare

    17:43
    Comparing Trump's Policies to Previous Administrations

    20:27
    Sanctions and Their Effectiveness

    23:30
    The Future of U.S.-Russia Relations

    26:31
    Conclusion and Future Implications

    34:36
    Global Perceptions: America vs. China

    36:36
    The Evolution of Soft Power in U.S. Foreign Policy

    38:59
    Trump's Administration: A Shift in Foreign Policy Dynamics

    42:29
    The National Security Community's Disconnect

    43:56
    The Impact of U.S. Wars on Global Reputation

    48:42
    Trump: A Symptom of Deeper Issues

    54:29
    Accountability in National Security


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  • #25 Avoiding Nuclear War between Pakistan and India with Pakistani Senator Bushra Anjum
    Jun 9 2025

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    In this episode, Senator Bushra Anjum Butt discusses the escalating tensions between Pakistan and India, particularly focusing on the implications of the Indus Water Treaty and the need for international mediation. She emphasizes Pakistan's mission of peace and the importance of diplomacy over war, while also addressing the role of the U.S. in influencing regional stability. The conversation highlights the risks of escalation and the current domestic sentiment in Pakistan regarding the conflict.

    takeaways

    • Nuclear war poses a global threat beyond immediate casualties.
    • Pakistan's delegation in the U.S. aims to mediate peace with India.
    • The Indus Water Treaty is crucial for Pakistan's water security.
    • War is not a viable solution to conflicts between nations.
    • International mediation is essential to prevent escalation.
    • The U.S. has significant influence over India's actions.
    • Pakistan seeks economic development and trade over military conflict.
    • Domestic sentiment in Pakistan is currently united against India.
    • The political landscape in Pakistan is complex and evolving.
    • A healthy U.S.-Pakistan relationship should focus on mutual growth.


    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction and Mission of Peace

    07:49
    The Indus Water Treaty and Its Implications

    10:49
    Recent Hostilities and Kashmir Conflict

    13:50
    Appeal for International Mediation

    17:05
    US-Pakistan Relations and Economic Development

    19:46
    Pakistan's Diplomatic Strategy

    22:50
    Escalation Risks and Water Security

    25:50
    Domestic Sentiment and Political Unity

    28:45
    Future of US-Pakistan Relations

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    47 mins
  • #24 The Evolution of Close Air Support from WWII to GWOT with Dr. Steve Call
    May 16 2025

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    In this conversation, Dr. Steve Call discusses the evolution of air support in military operations, focusing on the role of Tactical Air Controllers (TACPs) and the historical context of air-ground integration. He highlights lessons learned from World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War, emphasizing the importance of close air support (CAS) in modern warfare. Dr. Call also addresses current challenges facing CAS and the future of air support in the military, advocating for a deeper understanding of operational concepts versus strategies.

    takeaways

    • ALO tours were seen as a dark hole in careers.
    • American military integrates air support tightly with ground units.
    • The history of air-ground coordination is rich and complex.
    • Lessons from WWII shaped modern air support strategies.
    • Post-WWII, the Air Force focused on strategic bombing over CAS.
    • Korean War required a reinvention of CAS tactics.
    • Vietnam War established NCOs as key players in air support.
    • Desert Storm showcased the effectiveness of CAS.
    • Post-9/11 operations highlighted the need for coordination.
    • Current trends threaten the effectiveness of CAS.

    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction to Steve Call

    04:43
    Steve's Military Background and Education

    08:57
    The Evolution of Tactical Air Control

    12:48
    The Importance of Air-Ground Integration

    16:48
    Historical Context of Close Air Support

    20:57
    The Dilemma of Air and Ground Forces

    24:46
    Post-War Air Power Perspectives

    28:56
    The Reinvention of Close Air Support

    32:48
    The Fighter Mafia and Its Impact

    36:53
    Lessons from History and Future Implications

    37:41
    The Impact of Desert Storm on Air Power

    41:35
    The Role of Close Air Support in Modern Warfare

    53:49
    Challenges Facing Close Air Support Today

    56:47
    The Future of Air Force Close Air Support

    01:03:55
    The A-10 vs. F-35 Debate

    01:06:48
    Final Thoughts on Close Air Support Strategy

    Dr. Steve Calls Books:

    Danger Close: Tactical Air Controllers in Afghanistan and IraqSelling Air Power: Military Aviation and American Popular Culture after World War II

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  • #23 Next Generation Strike UAVs with Ethan Thornton, CEO Mach Industries
    Mar 29 2025

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    In this episode, Scott interviews Ethan Thornton, the 21-year-old CEO of Mach Industries, a defense technology startup focused on creating innovative unmanned systems. They discuss the transition from traditional defense strategies to a new era of great power competition, the challenges of government contracting, and the importance of decentralized manufacturing. Ethan shares insights on the development of their products, Viper and Glide, and the cultural shifts needed within the defense sector to foster innovation and agility.

    Mach Industries Website

    takeaways

    • Ethan Thornton is the CEO of Mock Industries, a defense tech startup.
    • Mock Industries focuses on creating unmanned systems for modern warfare.
    • The company aims to provide asymmetric capabilities to the U.S. military.
    • Ethan emphasizes the importance of decentralized manufacturing in defense.
    • The journey of building a startup in the defense sector is challenging but rewarding.
    • Government contracts can be navigated successfully with the right approach.
    • Cultural shifts are necessary within the defense bureaucracy to encourage innovation.
    • The future of warfare will heavily involve unmanned systems and technology.
    • Ethan's background as a tinkerer and engineer shapes his leadership style.
    • Building a strong team is crucial for the success of a startup.


    Chapters

    00:00
    Introduction to Mock Industries and Its Mission

    06:13
    Innovative Defense Technologies and Their Importance

    09:24
    The Viper: A Game-Changer in UAV Technology

    12:17
    Funding and Growth: From Idea to Reality

    15:21
    Navigating Government Contracts and Market Dynamics

    18:26
    Manufacturing Challenges and Strategies for Success

    29:18
    Contracting Vehicles and Prototyping Challenges

    32:26
    Balancing Capacity and Usability in Product Design

    35:54
    Business Models: The Key to Disruption in Defense

    39:49
    Building a Mission-Driven Team

    42:44
    Cultural Shifts Needed in the Defense Industrial Base

    46:44
    The Role of Unmanned Warfare in Modern Conflict

    50:58
    The Impact of Cultural Change on the Defense Sector

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  • E22 Trump's Foreign Policy with Jamie Miller
    Feb 27 2025

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    Insights from Jamie Miller shed light on how Trump’s foreign policies align with the sentiments of his voter base. This episode reveals the evolving perceptions of national security among Americans and explores the implications behind Trump's strategic decisions.

    • Unpacking Trump's "America First" philosophy
    • The shift in Republican foreign policy strategy
    • Voter perceptions on immigration, safety, and national security
    • Understanding the implications of cabinet picks for Trump’s second term
    • The possible risks of hardline immigration policies on geopolitics
    • The evolving nature of America's role in global affairs

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    57 mins
  • E21 How Space is Changing Everything with Dr. John Klein
    Jan 3 2025

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    In this conversation, Dr. John Klein discusses the evolution of space warfare, the importance of maritime doctrine in understanding space strategy, and the complexities of military and civilian infrastructure in space. He emphasizes the need for the US Space Force to adapt to the changing landscape of space competition, the significance of spectrum control, and the intersection of space and cyber warfare. Klein also highlights the role of commercial entities in space and the challenges of managing risks associated with technological innovations. The discussion concludes with insights on the necessity of understanding rival perspectives to navigate the future of space as a tool of national power.

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    takeaways

    • The evolution of space warfare necessitates a re-examination of its strategic importance.
    • Maritime doctrine provides valuable insights for understanding space warfare.
    • Choke points in space include both physical locations and electromagnetic spectrum.
    • Spectrum control is crucial for effective space operations and cyber warfare.
    • Space and cyber operations are increasingly interconnected in modern warfare.
    • The privatization of space raises questions about military and civilian infrastructure roles.
    • Globalization and technology transfer in space present both opportunities and risks.
    • Managing risks associated with space innovations is essential for national security.
    • The US Space Force must adapt to the realities of space competition.
    • Understanding rival perspectives is key to effective space strategy.

    titles

    • Navigating the New Frontier of Space Warfare
    • Space Warfare: A Maritime Perspective

    Sound Bites

    • "Space was a war fighting domain."
    • "The mindset of space has changed a lot."
    • "We need to prepare for conflict in space."

    Chapters

    00:00
    The State of Space Warfare Today

    01:50
    Evolution of Space Warfare Concepts

    04:51
    Maritime Doctrine Applied to Space Warfare

    07:34
    Spectrum Control and Cyber Warfare

    10:48
    Military and Civilian Infrastructure in Space

    13:39
    Emerging Competition and Proxy Warfare in Space

    16:34
    Commercialization of Space and Globalization Risks

    19:50
    Capabilities for Great Power Competition in Space

    22:57
    Deterrence Strategies in Space Warfare

    26:23
    Embargo and Blockade in Space

    28:07
    Understanding Space Force's Role

    31:35
    Commercial Integration and Space Strategy

    33:58
    Building a Space Force Identity

    38:46
    Space Force as a Hegemon in Space

    42:45
    Navigating Competition and Cooperation

    49:31
    Cultural Understanding in Deterrence




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