Episodes

  • Black Quantum Futurism: Camae Ayewa and Rasheedah Phillips
    May 13 2026

    This episode is a conversation with Black Quantum Futurism, an interdisciplinary practice founded by Rasheedah Phillips and Camae Ayewa (Moor Mother). Their work brings together quantum physics with Afrodiasporic understandings of time, space, ritual, text, and sound, creating frameworks for counter-histories and alternative futures. Rasheedah is a writer, artist, and housing advocate whose work explores temporalities and community futurisms through a Black futurist lens. Camae, also known as Moor Mother, is a musician, poet, and visual artist whose practice moves across sound, performance, and collaboration.


    Working with Camae and Rasheedah has been deeply formative for Mine Kaplangı, the curator of this episode. Their work shaped the programme co-curated at VSSL Studio, Entanglements of the Apocalypse, where they recently presented their solo exhibition Time Is On Our Side. This episode is an extension of that collaboration, and part of the exhibition’s public programme.


    In this conversation, they generously take us on a journey through their practice—how they met, how their collaboration began, and what has unfolded between then, now, and beyond. They share their thinking on time, black holes, and nonlinear temporalities, offering ways of understanding the apocalypse not as an ending, but as a site of transformation, delay, and return.


    A full transcript of this episode and links to further resources, including Black Quantum Futurism’s work and writings, can be found on our website.


    This episode is part of a mini-series, Choreographing the Apocalypse, which is guest curated by Mine Kaplangı, a Folkestone-based curator and art mediator from Istanbul. It forms part of their ongoing research into queer and trans imaginaries of the apocalypse(s). They will be inviting artists, thinkers, and somatic practitioners to explore apocalyptic thinking through speculative world-building and radically intimate frameworks.


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    38 mins
  • Erika Sprey & Mala Kline
    Apr 15 2026

    This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".


    This episode is a conversation between artists Erika Sprey and Mala Kline. They have collaborated several times, and in this conversation you’ll hear them speaking from within their practices, which have specific cosmologies and belief systems that surround dreaming. The discussion explores their experiences of artistic and therapeutic techniques, drawing on many traditions and teachings from different cultures.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.


    You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.


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    49 mins
  • Catalina Insignares & María Jerez
    Feb 25 2026

    This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".


    This episode is a conversation between artist María Jerez and choreographer Catalina Insignares. They discuss the fluidity of their artistic practices and their work with the body and identity. The concept of 'wonder' is explored in relation to their processes, and they talk about how it can act to counter cynicism and escape the restrictions of conventional knowledge.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.


    You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • Esperanza Collado & Marta Azparren
    Jan 28 2026

    This forms part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body".


    This episode is a response to Victoria's invitation from artist and researcher, Esperanza Collado and visual non-visual artist, Marta Azparren.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website. You can also read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

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    40 mins
  • Andrea Božić, Julia Willms and Victoria Pérez Royo
    Dec 17 2025

    This episode is a conversation between performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo, choreographer and artist Andrea Božić, and visual artist Julia Willms. Andrea and Julia have collaborated since 2003 making in-disciplinary works that re-organise space, attention and perception; exploring how spectatorship, imagination and spectacle are intertwined and embodied.

    The conversation was recorded in a studio in Amsterdam and together, they explore the nature and practice of capturing and interpreting dreams, they discuss research on dreams, dream logic, and the immersive virtual environments that dreams create.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.


    This episode is part of a mini-series, Dreaming Communities, curated by performing arts researcher, Victoria Pérez Royo. She defines the series as "a group of people having conversations around what we call the dreaming substance, meaning all the work developed around images that do not appear on a material surface outside of the body." You can read more about Victoria's curation on our website.

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    1 hr and 6 mins
  • Wu Tsang & Tosh Basco
    Oct 29 2025

    This episode is a conversation between artists Wu Tsang and Tosh Basco. Wu is an award ­winning filmmaker and performance artist, whose works explore hidden histories, marginalised narratives, and the act of performing itself. Tosh is a multidisciplinary performance artist and photographer, whose work enfolds language, becoming, and representation together; within spaces where these are typically understood as discrete entities.


    In the conversation, Wu and Tosh discuss their collaboration, emphasising relationality and care in times of crisis. They reflect on their various works exploring life, death, and rebirth. They touch on the impact of capitalism, societal collapse, the fluidity of identity and memory. This conversation was recorded in a studio in London.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.


    This episode is part of a mini-series,Choreographing the Apocalypse, which is guest curated by Mine Kaplangı, a Folkestone-based curator and art mediator from Istanbul.

    It forms part of their ongoing research into queer and trans imaginaries of the apocalypse(s). They will be inviting artists, thinkers, and somatic practitioners to explore apocalyptic thinking through speculative world-building and radically intimate frameworks.

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    41 mins
  • Rohan Ayinde & Suley
    Aug 29 2025


    This episode is a conversation between Rohan Ayinde and Suley, both based in London. Rohan is part of the first cohort of the Rose Choreographic School, and he is an anadisciplinary artist and poet. Suley is a playwright, painter, lawyer and lecturer who uses world building as a radical tool of investigation.


    This conversation was recorded in a studio in London and it was the first meeting between these two artists. They reflect on what world building signifies within their practices, articulating how this concept informs their individual research and methodologies. Together, they examine the convergence of their practices, and how speculative fiction, poetry, collectivity and black holes can function as a lens for understanding and imagining alternative futures.


    This episode is part of a new series,Choreographing the Apocalypse, which is guest curated by Mine Kaplangı, a Folkestone-based curator and art mediator from Istanbul.

    It forms part of their ongoing research into queer and trans imaginaries of the apocalypse(s). They will be inviting artists, thinkers, and somatic practitioners to explore apocalyptic thinking through speculative world-building and radically intimate frameworks.


    To find a full transcript of this episode, and resources mentioned, visit our website.



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    57 mins
  • Shu Lea Cheang & Dondon Hounwn & Dahu
    Jun 4 2025

    This episode is a conversation between artists about their piece Hagay Dreaming, which was performed at Tate Modern in early March 2025. We hear from Director, Shu Lea Cheang, artistic director and performer Dondon Hounwn, and choreographer Dahu. All the artists originate from Taiwan. They discuss the words they would like to submit to the glossary, which , in turn, form a discussion into the background of their work together. They explore themes like gender fluidity, reciprocal exchange in tribal culture, and the profound relationship between movement and spiritual belief. You will hear the artists talk to each other in a mixture of English and Mandarin.


    To find a full translated transcript of this episode visit our website.


    This episode is a collaboration with Dance Reflections by Van Cleef & Arpels. This initiative supports choreographic heritage, nurtures contemporary creation and engages the widest possible audience in conversations about dance.

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    57 mins