In this episode of the Inside OUT Podcast, Jojo is joined once again by the incredible Dr. Victoria Grinman for a raw and reflective deep dive into what we’re calling The Presence Paradox — how slowing down can actually move your life forward.

They unpack the messy, beautiful layers of personal growth, emotional intelligence, and spiritual realignment. From the power of presence over distraction to trusting the uncomfortable in-between, and explore what it really means to pause with purpose — and how that pause can generate deeper clarity, confidence, and connection.

They also talk about:

• How fear shapes our choices
• Creating space for alignment
• Rewiring patterns in love, life & business
• Dating without desperation
• And choosing presence as a path to abundance

This one’s for the overthinkers, the overdoers, and the ones who are done muscling their way through life.

Let’s get MESy — mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

Connect with Dr. V on instagram @drvictoriagrinman and learn more about her HERE

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This episode has been sitting with me since March — literally. I recorded this conversation with Dr. Victoria Grinman months ago, and for a lot of reasons (life, timing, alignment), it just didn’t feel ready to release… until now.

Victoria is a psychotherapist, a mentor to other healers, and someone who brings a deeply spiritual lens to everything she does.

This conversation explores the dance between control and surrender, why trusting the process is so much harder when it comes to relationships, and how to navigate rejection in a way that actually brings you closer to yourself. Dr. V also shares how she blends spirituality into her business, and why building anything meaningful starts with expanding the vessel — not forcing the outcome.

This episode is a reminder that just because you’re not where you thought you’d be doesn’t mean you’re off track. Sometimes the waiting is the work.

Let it land. And let it be enough, right now.

As promised the books we brought up in the episode:

The Power of Kabbalah by Yehuda Berg

God Wears Lipstick by Karen Berg

Connect with Dr. V on instagram @drvictoriagrinman and learn more about her HERE

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This week on Inside Out, Jojo gets real about the space in between—that liminal, uncomfortable, slightly chaotic place where you’re no longer who you were… but not yet who you’re becoming. In this solo episode, she opens up about what it means to slow down, sit with discomfort, and observe thoughts, patterns, and fears without rushing to fix or control them.

From facing her fear (of snakes, literally) to noticing how her internal shifts are transforming what—and who—she attracts, Jojo invites listeners into a conversation about resistance, nervous system regulation, and the quiet power of pause.

This episode is a reminder that real growth doesn’t begin with action—it begins with awareness. Let’s get messy—mentally, emotionally, and spiritually.

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