In this episode, we have a special interview when Michelle welcomes Shubhi Rao, founder and CEO of Uplyvel to discuss the intersection of artificial intelligence and gender equity. The conversation dives deep into how AI can reshape workplace diversity, equity, and inclusion, especially through the innovative lens of Uplyvel’s work creating the world’s largest gender dataset. Shubhi explains how her experiences in top-tier companies, combined with her awareness of the AI investment landscape, inspired the company's mission to build authoritative, female-forward datasets and tools that reflect women’s lived experiences in health, career, money, sports, and safety.

The episode also unpacks misconceptions about AI, challenges and opportunities for women in leveraging AI strategically, and practical advice for leaders and board members seeking to bring more diversity into boardrooms. Shubhi Rao offers actionable steps on how to get AI-savvy, underscoring the importance of understanding not just generative AI tools but broader concepts like data, algorithms, risk, cyber-security, and ethics. The episode wraps up with guidance on staying informed in this fast-moving landscape, highlighting newsletters and continual learning as a must for modern leaders.

In this episode, Jamey discusses the concept of leadership through the lens of curiosity, especially as it relates to diversity, equity, and inclusion in the workplace. Jamey reflects on leadership lessons flooding platforms like LinkedIn, noting that while countless methods and archetypes are suggested, true effective leadership boils down to one universal trait: curiosity. By asking questions, leaders avoid the traps of certainty and rigidity, instead collecting information, diffusing tension, and building collaboration.

The discussion emphasizes how curiosity does more than just inform decision-making; it acts as a bridge for diverse voices to be heard within teams, allowing leaders to adapt approaches that truly fit their people rather than forcing individuals to conform to static systems. Jamey highlights practical ways to build this skill as an ongoing practice, drawing on ideas from Daniel Kahneman's "Thinking, Fast and Slow" and real workplace leadership scenarios. The episode wraps with actionable tips for leaders looking to embed curiosity into their daily routines for more inclusive and effective teams.

Key Topics Discussed:

1. The surplus of leadership advice and archetypes (LinkedIn, thought leaders, etc.)
2. The central role of curiosity in effective leadership
3. How curiosity benefits decision-making, collaboration, and tension reduction
4. Customizing leadership and workplace practices through team input
5. Diversity and inclusion as natural outcomes of curiosity-based leadership
6. Systems 1 and 2 thinking (Daniel Kahneman) and their impact on leadership choices
7. Practical strategies for fostering curiosity in yourself and your team
8. Examples of curiosity leading to more inclusive workplaces

With the changes in DEI last year, Michelle discusses what the landscape of DEI looksl ike in 2026, and how the widespread confusion and fear surrounding legal changes has impacted business decisions. She talks about how most DEI initiatives remain lawful despite the uncertainty. Leaders are urged not to adopt a wait and see approach or pull back too aggressively, as such tactics risk alienating employees and shareholders, damaging organizational reputation, and forfeiting opportunities for growth and innovation.

She also outlines a six-dimensional framework for balancing risk and reward in DEI strategy, touching on financial, legal, regulatory, employee, social, and shareholder perspectives. She highlights the rising employee demand for inclusion and belonging, the costs of retention and disengagement, and the risks posed by reputational setbacks. She closes with actionable advice: recalibrate your strategy by focusing on engagement and inclusion, even if you change the terminology, and leverage available resources to navigate the current climate without abandoning the foundational principles of DEI.