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Without the Bank Podcast

Without the Bank Podcast

By: Mary Jo Irmen
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The archaic system of giving up money today, taking on risk, and hoping to retire is B.S. This podcast seeks to help make you responsible for your money and your future. You are the one who cares more about it than anyone else. I am here to help you and provide the honesty you need. No sugar coating. No false claims. Just straight up truth. Economics Personal Finance
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  • The Financial Independence Trap Nobody Warns You About (Ep. 249)
    Dec 25 2025

    What if your 401(k) isn't really your money?

    In this episode, we break down Willie Sutton's Law and expose how government-controlled retirement plans quietly limit your freedom, liquidity, and control over your wealth.

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    In WTB Episode 249, we continue our Becoming Your Own Banker chapter review, diving deep into Willie Sutton's Law: "Wherever wealth is accumulated, someone will try to steal it."

    This episode challenges conventional thinking around 401(k)s, IRAs, Roth limits, and tax-deferred retirement plans. We unpack how taxation works, why qualified plans were created, and how government incentives quietly shape your financial behavior — often at your expense.

    We also discuss the historical role of churches vs. government welfare, the dangers of inaccessible retirement savings, and why many people feel "broke" while technically having money they can't touch.

    Key Takeaways:
    Why tax-deferred retirement plans come with hidden control and risk
    How Willie Sutton's Law applies directly to 401(k)s and IRAs
    The real reason Roth IRAs are limited and capped
    Why tax refunds are NOT a win
    How lack of liquidity keeps people financially stressed
    Why responsibility—not government—is the key to financial freedom

    Chapters:
    (00:00) – Is the Government Your Savings Account?
    (05:50) – Willie Sutton's Law & Government Taxation
    (10:37) – Qualified Plans & Changing the Rules
    (15:38) – Roth IRAs, 401(k)s, and Control
    (20:55) – Liquidity Problems & Opportunity Cost
    (25:07) – Tax Refunds Explained
    (30:08) – A Private Solution Outside Government Control

    Grab your copy of Becoming Your Own Banker and follow along with us https://www.withoutthebank.com/product/becoming-your-own-banker/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=wtb-ep249&utm_term=desc-bot1

    Drop your questions or comments — we read them.

    Like, subscribe, and share if this episode made you rethink retirement

    Links Mentioned:
    Becoming Your Own Banker by Nelson Nash:
    https://www.withoutthebank.com/product/becoming-your-own-banker/?utm_source=youtube&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=wtb-ep249&utm_term=desc-bot2

    Austrian Economics & Mises Institute:
    https://mises.org/austrian-school/austrian-economics-overview

    FEE.org (Foundation for Economic Education):
    https://fee.org/

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    28 mins
  • Success Doesn't Look Like You Think (Ep. 248)
    Dec 18 2025

    Most people don't have a money problem… they have a Parkinson's Law problem. Your expenses quietly rise, your "extra" money disappears, and the timeline for big goals keeps stretching—until one day you realize you're working harder but staying in the same place.

    👉 Follow Mary Jo Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXYvzroUouEMsTGKFw5nJHQ
    👉 Get the book: https://www.withoutthebank.com/book/

    In this episode, we break down the 3 parts of Parkinson's Law and how to beat it daily—so you can redirect cash flow, build financial momentum, and stop losing every raise, payoff, or "found money" to lifestyle creep.

    Key takeaways:
    Work expands to fill the time allowed (and so do money decisions)
    A luxury once enjoyed becomes a necessity (hello, lifestyle inflation)
    Expenses rise to equal income (why raises vanish fast)
    Why "we don't have the money" often means we won't redirect spending
    How discipline + simple systems can put you ahead of the 97%

    Chapters:
    00:00 The hidden sacrifice behind "overnight success."
    01:53 What Parkinson's Law is (and why it matters)
    03:08 Rule #1: Work expands to fill the time allowed
    06:03 Rule #2: Luxury becomes necessity (lifestyle inflation)
    08:40 Rule #3: Expenses rise to equal income
    12:05 Beat it daily—or stay stuck
    18:36 Proof it takes less effort than you think (the "top 1%" effect)

    If this hit home, like, subscribe, and share with someone battling lifestyle creep. And if you want help applying this to your cash flow + "banking system," reach out:

    📩 Mary Jo: MaryJo@WithouttheBank.com
    📩 Teresa: Tarisa@WithouttheBank.com

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    20 mins
  • Whole Life vs. UL/IUL: Why Guarantees Win (Ep. 247)
    Dec 11 2025

    You're financing everything you buy… even when you pay cash. 🤯 In this episode, we break down how to create your own banking system using dividend-paying whole life insurance, and why ignoring this might be costing you a fortune in lost interest.

    👉 Follow Mary Jo Here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXYvzroUouEMsTGKFw5nJHQ
    👉 Get the book: https://www.withoutthebank.com/book/

    MJ and Tarisa walk through a key chapter from Nelson Nash's Becoming Your Own Banker and unpack what it really means to "finance everything you buy."

    They explain how paying cash still has a cost, why EVA (Economic Value Added) changed how businesses think about capital, and how the same thinking applies to families using dividend-paying whole life.

    You'll hear the crucial differences between whole life and UL/IUL, how life insurance companies actually work behind the scenes, and why guarantees and control matter more than chasing returns.

    Key Takeaways
    ◦ You either pay interest to others or give up interest you could have earned—there is no third option.
    ◦ Paying cash stops the future earning potential of that dollar unless you first put it into a system that compounds (like a properly structured whole life).
    ◦ EVA (Economic Value Added) shows that your own cash has a cost, and successful businesses account for it—so should you.
    ◦ Whole life vs UL/IUL: whole life offers guarantees and immediate access to cash value; most UL/IUL policies have surrender periods and moving parts.
    ◦ Dividends in mutual whole life companies are essentially a return of overcharged premium—and when used to buy paid-up additions, they supercharge long-term compounding.
    ◦ Life insurance companies are conservative by design: actuaries, rate makers, and contingency funds help them survive crises while still paying claims.
    ◦ Infinite banking is a system of policies over 20–25 years, not a one-policy, one-year tactic.

    Chapters
    00:00 – Why you finance everything you buy (even with cash)
    02:09 – The unseen cost of cash and lost compound interest
    04:25 – EVA: Why your own capital has a real cost
    09:40 – Due diligence, "scam" labels, and thinking for yourself
    16:03 – Owning the contract & being first in line for your money
    23:08 – Actuaries, dividends, and the "fudge factor."
    31:14 – Whole Life vs UL/IUL & building your own banking system

    ✅ Enjoyed this breakdown of Infinite Banking?
    ◦ Hit LIKE if this helped you see money and interest differently.
    ◦ SUBSCRIBE for more deep dives on Infinite Banking and building your own banking system.
    ◦ COMMENT with your questions about whole life, policy loans, or getting started—we may answer them in a future episode.

    👉 Want help setting up your own banking system?
    Work with our team to review your current policies or design a new Infinite Banking plan.

    📘 Book mentioned:
    Becoming Your Own Banker by R. Nelson Nash – highly recommended foundational reading for Infinite Banking.
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    Get BYOB and my book, Life Without The Bank:
    👉 https://www.withoutthebank.com/book/?...

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    41 mins
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