What comes first in your mind when you hear "AI and ethics"?

For Mark, it's a conversation with his teenage son about driverless cars choosing who to hurt in an accident. For Stephan, it's data privacy and the question of whether we really have a choice about what we share. For Niko, it's the haunting question: when AI makes the decision, who's responsible?

Niko anchors a conversation that quickly moves from sci-fi thought experiments to the uncomfortable reality—ethical AI decisions are happening every few minutes in our lives, and we're barely prepared. Joining him are Mark (reflecting on how fast this snuck up on us) and Stephan (bringing systems thinking about data, privacy, and the gap between what organizations should do and what governments are actually doing).

From Philosophy to Practice Mark's son thought driverless cars would obviously make better decisions than humans—until Mark asked what happens when the car has to choose between two accidents involving different types of people. The conversation spirals quickly: Who decides? What's "wrong"? What if the algorithm's choice eliminates someone on the verge of a breakthrough? The philosophical questions are ancient, but now they're embedded in algorithms making real decisions.

The Consent Illusion Stephan surfaces the data privacy dimension: someone has to collect data, store it, use it. Niko's follow-up cuts deeper: "Do we really have the choice what we share? Can we just say no, and then what happens?" The question hangs—are we genuinely consenting, or just clicking through terms we don't read because opting out isn't really an option?

Starting Conversations Without Creating Paralysis Mark warns about a trap he's seen repeatedly—organizations leading with governance frameworks and compliance checklists that overwhelm before anyone explores what's actually possible. His take: "You've got to start having the conversations in a way that does not scare people into not engaging." Organizations need parallel journeys—applying AI meaningfully while evolving their ethical stance—but without drowning people in fear before they've had a chance to experiment.

Who's Actually Accountable? The hosts land on three levels: individuals empowered to use AI responsibly, organizations accountable for what they build and deploy, and governments (where Stephan is "hesitant"—Switzerland just imposed electronic IDs despite 50% public skepticism). Stephan's question lingers: "How do we make it really successful for human beings on all different levels?"

When Niko asks for one takeaway, Mark channels Mark Twain: "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so. My question to you is, what do you know about AI and ethics?"

Stephan reflects: "AI is reflecting the best and the worst of our own humanity, forcing us to decide which version of ourselves we want to encode into the future."

Niko's closing: "Ethics is a socio-political responsibility"—not compliance theater, not corporate governance alone, but something we carry as parents, neighbors, humans.

This episode doesn't provide answers—it surfaces the questions practitioners should be sitting with. Not the distant sci-fi dilemmas, but the ethical decisions happening in your organization right now, every few minutes, while you're too busy to notice.