In this second part of Whistleblower of the Week, host and former FBI agent Jane Turner continues her conversation with NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake, diving deeper into the aftermath of his disclosures and the personal cost of exposing secret surveillance programs.

Drake explains how, after raising concerns through official channels, he was met with retaliation, isolation, and escalating pressure from within the intelligence community. As the government built a criminal case against him, he faced a 2010 Espionage Act indictment that threatened decades in prison. Drake details the emotional toll of the investigation, the raid on his home, and the collapse of the case when all felony charges were ultimately dropped.

Despite losing his job, pension, and financial security, Drake reflects on why he remained committed to telling the truth—and why defending the Constitution mattered more than the consequences. Part 2 explores the broader implications of his ordeal, the dangers of unchecked surveillance, and the importance of whistleblowers in a democracy.

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In this week’s Whistleblower of the Week podcast, host and FBI whistleblower Jane Turner talks with NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake in a conversation recorded on July 4th. Turner calls Drake’s journey “a testament to the challenges faced by whistleblowers in the intelligence community,” and says his story shows why stronger protections are needed and stands as a lasting symbol of courage.

Drake talks about his early life, growing up in a military family, and being around a national security culture from a young age. Drake recalls joining the Air Force in 1979, where he worked as a cryptologic linguist and underwent SERE training, including waterboarding. This experience shaped his views on lawful and unlawful orders. He later worked at the CIA and as a government contractor. At the NSA, he became an internal whistleblower about the expensive Minstrel program and lost his job after refusing to commit fraud.

In 2001, Drake began a senior leadership role at the NSA on his first day, September 11th. He says the intelligence system had been “blinking red” and explains that the response after 9/11 made him feel he had to speak out.

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This week on Whistleblower of the Week, former Federal Air Marshal Robert MacLean joins host Jane Turner to share his story of exposing safety risks within the Transportation Security Administration (TSA).

MacLean recounts how his 2003 disclosure about air marshals being pulled from long-distance flights led to years of retaliation, including termination, legal battles, and attempts to discredit him. Despite the personal toll, he continues to push for transparency and the protection of those who speak out.

Listen now to hear how one whistleblower’s pursuit of justice sheds light on the challenges of reforming government agencies—and the enduring importance of the First Amendment.

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