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When Love Hurts

When Love Hurts

By: Alison Epp Jo Neill Jill Cory Karen McAndless-Davis
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When Love Hurts is a podcast that exposes the reality about men’s abuse of women — what it is and how we can respond. Hosted by Alison Epp and Jo Neill and joined by Jill Cory and Karen McAndless-Davis, authors of the influential book When Love Hurts, the show draws from their decades of frontline experience supporting women and educating communities. Together, we’ll break down the many myths and misconceptions that allow abuse to hide in plain sight. For example, the myth that abuse is limited to physical violence fails to include the full scope of abuse — emotional, verbal, financial, sexual and more. This myth prevents women and their supporters from recognizing the impact of all forms of abuse. We also explore the social and systemic forces that enable men’s abuse, and what true support and accountability look like. This podcast is for everyone, not just survivors or professionals. Abuse impacts us all, whether we see it or not. Jill and Karen offer clear insight, practical wisdom, and heartfelt compassion in each episode. Join us as we shine light into the darkness, build understanding, and work toward a world where love never hurts.© When Love Hurts Hygiene & Healthy Living
Episodes
  • Episode 6: The harms of help
    Dec 23 2025

    Services can repeat dynamics of abuse. In this episode we explore the concept of "harms of help" – the negative experiences women have with the very people and services meant to support them.

    This concept came from our research, where over 250 women were asked about what barriers they faced when seeking support. Many women described to us how the support they sought through services and professionals paradoxically added to initial harms of the abuse, rather than helped. Women observed that the treatment by service providers can mirror the control dynamics of their abusive partner. For example, women described harmful experiences with:

    • Courts that favor fathers regardless of his violence
    • Police who label situations as “mutual conflict.”
    • Shelters with rules that exclude vulnerable women.
    • Child welfare systems that dismiss disclosures and blame mothers.
    • Healthcare providers who offer judgment instead of support
    • Helpers that favour or take the side of the abusive man and blame women.
    • Counselors who fail to recognize abuse or focus on “relationship skills” instead of safety.

    When these responses ignore the abuse, it embolden the abusive partner, compounds the harms of the abuse, and increases women’s isolation.

    Read the rest of the show notes, here.

    For helpers and professionals, here's a reminder to anyone supporting women:

    • Recognize the power you hold.
    • Avoid replicating dynamics of control.
    • Listen more than you speak.
    • Believe women.
    • Keep women in control of their own process.
    • Understand that systems can create vulnerability.

    Closing notes

    • For more information, visit whenlovehurts.ca.
    • Listeners are invited to join the #WLHCommunity and help spread the message.
    • The hosts also thank MCC Canada for supporting Season 1 and welcome sponsors for future seasons.
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    57 mins
  • Episode 5: Why abusive men are abusive
    Dec 16 2025

    In this episode, we take on the question women ask again and again: Why is he abusive? Women are desperate for an answer. They want to understand his need for power and control – where it comes from, what drives it, and whether he’s even aware of it. For many women, this becomes a pivotal point in making sense of their situation.


    There are many unfounded theories and explanations commonly offered for why abusive men are abusive:

    • He has an anger problem.
    • He’s under a lot of stress.
    • He’s mentally ill.
    • It’s because of his childhood.
    • He’s an addict.
    • It’s just his “conflict style.”

    None of these are accurate. These excuses show up everywhere in the dominant discourse and leave both women and professionals confused about what the real issue actually is.

    Karen shares part of her own story about Bruce’s change process and what that looked like. That experience leads us into a discussion of the true cause of abuse: the man’s underlying belief system.

    Research from the University of British Columbia’s School of Social Work, based on interviews with men before and after treatment, identified three core beliefs held by abusive men. These beliefs create the foundation that allows abuse to happen:

    • Central – He believes he should be the centre of the household and that everything should revolve around him.
    • Superior – He believes he is better than his partner in all areas that matter.
    • Deserving – He believes he is entitled to whatever he wants, whenever he wants it.

    These beliefs are deeply held – often unconscious – and rooted in privilege and entitlement. Abusive men may know how to “talk the talk” of healthy relationship, so they won’t usually state these beliefs outright. But their actions reveal them.

    • More in the show notes
    • Alison Epp, counselling
    • Jo Neill, counselling
    • The When Love Hurts website lists their active support groups throughout Canada and provides many articles for further reading.
    • 211 is an emergency mental health number in Canada that can be called at any time and they can connect you with available local resources.
    • If you still cannot find what you are looking for, please connect with us by email.

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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Episode 4: The impacts of abuse for women
    Dec 9 2025

    We want to thank you for joining us for this heavy, but essential, conversation. Be gentle with yourself as you listen; grab your coffee or tea and give yourself the space and time you need.


    Historically, everyone — from services to courts to friends — has focused on what he did. "Did he kick? Did he choke? Was it bad enough to count as abuse?" Can she prove it? But this focus on his behaviour completely fails to describe the devastating impact their behaviour has on their partner's while ignoring or minimizing the woman’s experiences.. In this episode, we center the impact of his abuse on her. Focusing on impacts shifts focus from ‘What is wrong with her’: to “What has happened to her?


    In this episode,we explore the deep and wide-ranging ways men’s abuse impacts women — regardless of what specific tactics of abuse he uses.


    Men’s abuse has so many impacts. Broadly, it systematically strips away a woman’s autonomy, affecting everything – how you live, how you parent, who you have friendships with, who you can see, how you express yourself, etc..


    Abusive men create a constant, terrifying and unpredictable reality — like walking through a landmine, where any step could trigger an explosion. A woman can't focus on herself because she is entirely focused on minimizing harm to her and her children. Looking at impacts helps women identify how the fear has affected them.

    Abuse also impacts your physical and mental health. Women experience migraines, body pain, insomnia, exhaustion, difficulty concentrating, weight changes, frequent infections, reproductive coercion and so much more.

    Resources and next steps

    • Read the entire show notes
    • Alison Epp, counselling
    • Jo Neill, counselling
    • The When Love Hurts website lists their active support groups throughout Canada and provides many articles for further reading.
    • 211 is an emergency mental health number in Canada that can be called at any time and they can connect you with available local resources.
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    55 mins
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